To my friends of faith:

You will never convince an atheist that God exists, it is a fruitless time consuming waist of effort. The notion of faith is foreign to them, they act only on what they know to be certain. Trying to “convince” them that the bible is true, by using the bible as a source is called a tautology, and logically can never accomplish what you hope. It is also unwise to insist that there are no contradictions in the bible. This book was written thousands of years ago, and often times the contextual references are unavailable because of the relative distance, so things appear to contradict, or at the very least create an uneasy tension. Please remember that it is the word of God, not the words of God.

To my atheist friends:

We people of faith are just that… a people of faith. Of course we cannot prove the existence of God. I am not sure I would want to even if I could. You see hope in ends in fruition and faith ends in sight. There is comfort in being able to hope, and there is a strength we gain in faith. If we know for certain, beyond any shadow of a doubt that God exists, then it is no longer faith it is knowledge. Our acts of worship would most certainly change as a result. Instead of the beautiful experience we now know it as; I fear it would become a joyless obligation. I feel sorry for you that you are unable to feel the strength and joy that we feel from our faith and our hope (yes I know, you don’t want my pity, but you have it anyway.)

To the both of you:

Why argue? Will it change anything one iota if you do? I would offer the idea that perhaps not arguing makes the world a better place. Peace be with you all.

Originally posted by duecer
To my friends of faith:

You will never convince an atheist that God exists, it is a fruitless time consuming waist of effort. The notion of faith is foreign to them, the act only on what they know to be certain. Trying to “convince” them that the bible is true by using the bible as a source is called a tautology, and logically can never accomplish what you ...[text shortened]... d offer the idea that perhaps not arguing makes the world a better place. Peace be with you all.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi



debating is fun.

Originally posted by duecer
Why argue? Will it change anything one iota if you do? I would offer the idea that perhaps not arguing makes the world a better place. Peace be with you all.

Can I put my "Pulp Fiction" take on here. It seems apt.

For those of you who have not seen it is dominated at the start and end by one biblical quote" Ezikel 25:17 . The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the eniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, who in the name of chariy and goodwill, shepards the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brothers keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengence and furious anger those who attempt poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengence upon thee."

Is this quote true?
Anyway the point at the end was that both Travolta and Jackson had the same job, they worked well together, but after the "miracle" Jackson wanted to change his way. He called it walking the Earth, Travolta called it "being a bum".
Seems to me that Travolta was the athiest and Jackson was the theist.

In this depiction, I much prefer Jacksons take, because he says he could feel "God" working on him. So from his personal experience did he proceed, despite being shown for what a fool he seemed like.

Originally posted by duecer
To my friends of faith:

You will never convince an atheist that God exists, it is a fruitless time consuming waist of effort. The notion of faith is foreign to them, they act only on what they know to be certain. Trying to “convince” them that the bible is true, by using the bible as a source is called a tautology, and logically can never accomplish what y ...[text shortened]... d offer the idea that perhaps not arguing makes the world a better place. Peace be with you all.

Originally posted by twhitehead
To have fun, and to learn more, and hopefully to help others learn more too. You are quite wrong to think that we do not learn from each other. It is not necessary to convince me to be Christian for you to teach me more about Christianity. I may have serious misconceptions about your faith. The very fact that you address me in your post implies I have som ...[text shortened]... le in this forum have said that they have become atheist partly as a result of discussions here.

Originally posted by Nicksten
Many of the people who became atheists here were already there (not believing in God and being an atheist) before they even joined the site. Maybe this just helped to finally categorize them - just saying it bluntly.

To come back to the original post - I also sometimes feel that why fight a losing battle? But that is exactly what the devil want, and that ...[text shortened]... for a soul that was lost that could possibly be saved for God. What harm can it really do? 😉

Originally posted by Hand of Hecate
What a ridiculous little person you are. The Devil wants you to annoy atheists with your confused fantasies? Your idiotic babbling is certain to make people stupider by listening to you, but, are you really going to win any converts?

You're not one of those morons that come to my door on Saturday mornings trying to sell me on the watchtower are you? Thank god for sprinklers.

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Can I put my "Pulp Fiction" take on here. It seems apt.

For those of you who have not seen it is dominated at the start and end by one biblical quote" Ezikel 25:17 . The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the eniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, who in the name of chariy and goodwill, shepards the ...[text shortened]... ersonal experience did he proceed, despite being shown for what a fool he seemed like.

Originally posted by galveston75
Instead of the "morons as you say" coming to your door because of doing what Jesus commanded us to do and out of their own time and money trying only to share the Good News of the Kingdom that Jesus taught us with you, you need to politely, if you can, ask them to not return to your door at all and they will mark your name down on a list of "do not call at this door ever" and they will do their best to not bother you again..................

Originally posted by Hand of Hecate
This has been clearly explained to said miscreants upon a number of occasions and yet they persist. I don't care if Zues himself told them to come knocking. Don't knock on my door on Saturday morning unless you are in dire need of medical attention or other assistance. How much clearer does this need to be. Hence the sprinklers.

Originally posted by Nicksten
Many of the people who became atheists here were already there (not believing in God and being an atheist) before they even joined the site. Maybe this just helped to finally categorize them - just saying it bluntly.

To come back to the original post - I also sometimes feel that why fight a losing battle? But that is exactly what the devil want, and that ...[text shortened]... for a soul that was lost that could possibly be saved for God. What harm can it really do? 😉

Originally posted by Hand of Hecate
This has been clearly explained to said miscreants upon a number of occasions and yet they persist. I don't care if Zues himself told them to come knocking. Don't knock on my door on Saturday morning unless you are in dire need of medical attention or other assistance. How much clearer does this need to be. Hence the sprinklers.

Originally posted by Suzianne
The warrior of God must take care not to conduct himself in such a way that he actually turns more people from God than he brings to God. This seems to me to be the only harm it could possibly do to uphold the good fight for the souls of men.