@KellyJay
I'm not going to get back into this. You and others have made it clear you believe in the trinity. So be it.
But yet you all continually use this scripture which totally proves the trinity is not real and in no way applys to this scripture.
Colossians 1
He is the image of the invisible God,
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For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.
((((((((((((((((((((((((the firstborn of all creation.)))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Do you really,really not understand what you are read here? I'd say no. Because if you did really see letter by letter what it says then the rest of this scripture that you think proves the trinity, would not, which it does not in anyway.
One point that trinity folks are missing here is this. Who wrote the book of Genesis? It was Moses who was a man and who would have written from a humans standpoint or viewpoint. So think about that and re read those scriptures........
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-Removed-Why bother with the Revelation of John?
Why bother with the verbiage of Paul the manic busybody, the usurper?
Why bother with the words of Jesus when only 20% are clearly attributable to Him, and when by 1890 Christian Theologians had concluded that He never existed?
Stuff away your stupid borrowed weapons, you stupid jackass.
What do you imagine would be the practical purpose of Christianity, and how are you enacting that purpose?
How many steps would it take for you, a presumably grown man of Earth, to begin demonstrating Christ's light and warmth in your interaction with others, instead of the clever harrowing that seems your unfortunate habit?
-Removed-I notice you neither addressed the things I said nor the quoted scripture; instead, you sidestep both as if nothing of relevance was said. It flys in the face of your everyone is safe dogma, you cannot pick and choose only those verses you like to support your claims, or you take them out of context of the whole scripture.
You are twisting the Word to suit you instead of reading the whole thing as is.
@galveston75 saidHe is the only begotten, the firstborn, who has preeminence by right. The point stands, and you have not touched it that through Him, and for Him were all things created, nothing was made except through Him, challenging to achieve that He too was created without Him there to do it.
@KellyJay
I'm not going to get back into this. You and others have made it clear you believe in the trinity. So be it.
But yet you all continually use this scripture which totally proves the trinity is not real and in no way applys to this scripture.
Colossians 1
He is the image of the invisible God,
((((((((((((((((((((((((the firstborn of all creation.))) ...[text shortened]... tten from a humans standpoint or viewpoint. So think about that and re read those scriptures........
@galveston75 saidHow many times do I have to explain this passage to you?
@KellyJay
I'm not going to get back into this. You and others have made it clear you believe in the trinity. So be it.
But yet you all continually use this scripture which totally proves the trinity is not real and in no way applys to this scripture.
Colossians 1
He is the image of the invisible God,
((((((((((((((((((((((((the firstborn of all creation.))) ...[text shortened]... tten from a humans standpoint or viewpoint. So think about that and re read those scriptures........
@kellyjay saidOh my.... Still so hard for me after 50+ years for someone to quote that scripture and not see what it says. But it still happens.
He is the only begotten, the firstborn, who has preeminence by right. The point stands, and you have not touched it that through Him, and for Him were all things created, nothing was made except through Him, challenging to achieve that He too was created without Him there to do it.
What do you think the word " Through" means?
How about a couple examples:
"In my position at work, my boss sends all messages "through" me to all other employees."
" The wind picks up speed as it passes "through" the narrow canyon."
This same word "through" means slightly different things here but it is still the same basic meaning just as it does in this scripture.
So with Jesus and the things that were created, they did not originate with him. It all originated with his Father Jehovah. But out of love for his son Jesus, he had his son very involved in the creation. Jehovah was the master designer and could have created all by himself. But he gave Jesus the needed power, wisdom and direction on how to create. All that Jesus needed to do this creation was from his Father Jehovah. The knowledge and power originated with Jehovah and he passed that on "through" his son Jesus.
If Jesus were almighty god Jehovah, why the need to have something come from himself and go through himself?
It makes no sense to have something like that said in the scriptures.