1. Standard memberTirau Dan
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    14 Jul '05 23:38
    Can anyone justify the ornate Catholic edifaces, The Modern Charismatic Auditoriums or the Massive Muslim ones. Where is the sense in this expenditure. A hill on open ground would be better and you could share, mix and mingle with others of other faiths.
    People can pray and/or meditate anywhere any time.
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    15 Jul '05 09:101 edit
    that would be nice apart from rain snow wind, But the church in its building should reflect the worship and your own belief. gathering together in praise of god. Should also be a focal point for strangers to the area to join in. Yes to the point of private worship.
  3. Standard memberfrogstomp
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    15 Jul '05 10:26
    Originally posted by Tirau Dan
    Can anyone justify the ornate Catholic edifaces, The Modern Charismatic Auditoriums or the Massive Muslim ones. Where is the sense in this expenditure. A hill on open ground would be better and you could share, mix and mingle with others of other faiths.
    People can pray and/or meditate anywhere any time.
    in the good old days it served a function as a public works project and was about the only way anybody could pry some coins outta the deep-pockets and keep the local economy going.

    Nowadays. its a reversal of the coin flow. Xcept I got no clue to what the Moslems do , or even if they do indeed have pockets, deep or otherwise.
  4. Donationkirksey957
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    15 Jul '05 12:07
    Is there anyone who can justify the ornate buildings and expenditures of these bank and commercial buildings?
  5. Standard memberKellyJay
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    15 Jul '05 12:09
    Originally posted by Tirau Dan
    Can anyone justify the ornate Catholic edifaces, The Modern Charismatic Auditoriums or the Massive Muslim ones. Where is the sense in this expenditure. A hill on open ground would be better and you could share, mix and mingle with others of other faiths.
    People can pray and/or meditate anywhere any time.
    Because it rains outside people get wet, it is nice to have a building
    to sit in. Sometimes it gets hot or cold on those hill sides too.
    Kelly
  6. Standard memberfrogstomp
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    15 Jul '05 12:11
    Originally posted by kirksey957
    Is there anyone who can justify the ornate buildings and expenditures of these bank and commercial buildings?
    Mammon is as Mammon does ,,lol
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    15 Jul '05 17:52
    Originally posted by kirksey957
    Is there anyone who can justify the ornate buildings and expenditures of these bank and commercial buildings?

    Yeah, and what about those schools and theaters, concerthalls and musea ?

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    15 Jul '05 18:13
    Have you ever read about Solomon building the temple?
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    15 Jul '05 18:33
    Originally posted by Tirau Dan
    Can anyone justify the ornate Catholic edifaces, The Modern Charismatic Auditoriums or the Massive Muslim ones. Where is the sense in this expenditure. A hill on open ground would be better and you could share, mix and mingle with others of other faiths.
    People can pray and/or meditate anywhere any time.
    It's a people thing. People spend their money on what they want.
    If it's baseball, then they spend the millions on the stadium (and the salaries!). If it's books, then on a library. To gather with other believers, then some will spend their money on a church or cathedral. The architecture will always reflect the purpose of the building. If it is built as a place where people will gather to honor God, then the building will probably be high and lofty, symbolically declaring its purpose.

    People who have different faiths generally don't mix, but when they do it certainly wouldn't be where they are expressing their different faiths; that would just be chaotic. Just as the White Sox and "da' Bares" don't meet on the same field.

    Yes, we can pray and meditate anywhere, any time. But we can't gather together to share in our faith and join with each other in fellowship without meeting in once place at the same time.
  10. Standard memberTirau Dan
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    I think my deepest thought was that their is too much commercialisation of the churches these days.. music comfort decor and peripheral business.

    A local parish of 130 members was to build a new church.. they decided to borrow 5 million. they lost members who said the new building on paper looked like an soulless auditorium (the curved roof glass ended ones). A cheap warm building that they could have worked on ourselves would have been wiser.

    People go to watch kids play sport in the rain.. churches could utilise and share buildings..many of which are under-used then spend money elsewhere.

    I've never seen an ornate bank Kirksey but Govt buildings.. yup! but then that sort of goes for my arguement because they smack of corruption.
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    16 Jul '05 01:12
    Originally posted by Tirau Dan
    I think my deepest thought was that their is too much commercialisation of the churches these days.. music comfort decor and peripheral business.

    A local parish of 130 members was to build a new church.. they decided to borrow 5 million. they lost members who said the new building on paper looked like an soulless auditorium (the curved roof glass ended ...[text shortened]... t buildings.. yup! but then that sort of goes for my arguement because they smack of corruption.
    There have been a lot of foolish people in charge of churches, who have made bad stewardship decisions. They have spent too much money in many bad ways. Indeed.

    This reflects badly on people who are Christians (at least nominally); but not on Christ. "There is salvation in no other name,"
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    Could you recommend a better way to house what is believed to be the site of the apostle Peter's grave?
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    17 Jul '05 14:40
    Originally posted by Tirau Dan
    Can anyone justify the ornate Catholic edifaces, The Modern Charismatic Auditoriums or the Massive Muslim ones. Where is the sense in this expenditure. A hill on open ground would be better and you could share, mix and mingle with others of other faiths.
    People can pray and/or meditate anywhere any time.
    Didnt God ask king solomon to build a grand temple in jerusalem, of Gold and bronze and ivory, and marble. Very ornate.
    If kings and authority have grand places why not the greatest authority in the universe, i.e God.
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    17 Jul '05 14:50
    Originally posted by dale21
    Didnt God ask king solomon to build a grand temple in jerusalem, of Gold and bronze and ivory, and marble. Very ornate.
    If kings and authority have grand places why not the greatest authority in the universe, i.e God.
    Matthew 8:20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

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    17 Jul '05 15:34
    I believe art is its own justification.

    On the other hand, I've noticed that in my fair city, the prostitutes tend to hang out in the neighborhoods where some of the oldest churches are located. I've often wondered what these buildings contribute to the rise of poverty and crime.
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