Originally posted by SuzianneYou cannot deny that it is imbued with pagan elements suzzianne, whether it does 'Christianity', and favours or not is simply not the point. I don't think atheists are necessarily averse to Christianity because of me.
After reading that, I'm surprised Atheism isn't even more popular than it already is. You do Christianity no favors.
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-Removed-No hypocrisy, i have not celebrated Christmas neither have my children, all I have done is eat a Christmas pudding on January the ninth and a tasty pudding it was as well. I have pulled no crackers, set up no Christmas tree, hung no stockings, decorated my house with lights, nothing. Haters gonna hate divesgeester, I know and accept the fact, its an occupational hazard.
What my sins are is between me and my God, the real essence of your criticisms I suspect stem from a pang of conscience having it pointed out to you just how Pagan the celebration is and how you gulped it down revelling in the paganism without the slightest thought as to its acceptableness or otherwise, well that's between you and Christ.
Stating that you have a stronger conscience I doubt anyone will buy, if anything you have proven that you are prepared to compromise on almost anything, family, worldly celebrations and as far as i can discern I cannot think of a single instance where you have put scriptural principles and loyalty to those principles before personal concerns, but that once again is your affair I merely point it out. If you can provide an instance where you put scriptural principles before personal concerns, let us know.
-Removed-why? because i respect the conscience of others that is why, i would never dream of imposing my conscience on them nor deprive them of the joy of giving, if they want to celebrate Christmas its up to them.
I noticed that you could not provide a single example of an instance where you have put scriptural principles above self concern yet deem qualified to call others out for failing to do so in your opinion, interesting, when you can, let us know.
Originally posted by whodey"lol oh stop" you probably gave him wet dreams.
What do you say that we tie Robbie down and force a birthday party on him?
You bake the cake, light the candles, and I will help force feed him cake and ice cream.
We will force him to have fun even if it kills us all!! 😛
Surely the Watchtower won't excommunicate him if we force him to submit to such pagan rituals as a party. Just so long as he does not crack a smile so as to seem to enjoy it all should be well.
I don't care or condemn those who celebrate Christmas but we're being intellectually dishonest if we don't recognize some pagan elements in the holiday. I think the modern holiday is fairly godless it's more about materialism and how much money we can spend. it's a sad time of year for many also.
Damn I'm scaring myself I sound like a J-Dub now
Manny
Originally posted by Flower04"Based on this is why.
I'm still waiting on the topic.
Thought you were gonna explain why Jehovah's witnesses don't celebrate birthdays?
Finally the opportune time came. On his birthday Herod gave a banquet for his high officials and military commanders and the leading men of Galilee. 22 When the daughter of[c] Herodias came in and danced, she pleased Herod and his dinner guests.
The king said to the girl, “Ask me for anything you want, and I’ll give it to you.” 23 And he promised her with an oath, “Whatever you ask I will give you, up to half my kingdom.”
24 She went out and said to her mother, “What shall I ask for?”
“The head of John the Baptist,” she answered.
25 At once the girl hurried in to the king with the request: “I want you to give me right now the head of John the Baptist on a platter.”
26 The king was greatly distressed, but because of his oaths and his dinner guests, he did not want to refuse her. 27 So he immediately sent an executioner with orders to bring John’s head. The man went, beheaded John in the prison, 28 and brought back his head on a platter. He presented it to the girl, and she gave it to her mother. 29 On hearing of this, John’s disciples came and took his body and laid it in a tomb.
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Originally posted by tim88So one guy is weird on his birthday and nobody gets a nod on his own?
"Based on this is why.
Finally the opportune time came. On his birthday Herod gave a banquet for his high officials and military commanders and the leading men of Galilee. 22 When the daughter of[c] Herodias came in and danced, she pleased Herod and his dinner guests.
The king said to the girl, “Ask me for anything you want, and I’ll give it to ...[text shortened]... er mother. 29 On hearing of this, John’s disciples came and took his body and laid it in a tomb.
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Originally posted by JS357The bottom line is this, Jesus is our hero, he da man, did Jesus celebrate Birthdays? did the Apostles celebrate Birthdays? are there any Biblical principles or ordinances which have a bearing on the matter? from whence did the practice originate and what is its purpose? Only after answering questions like these can the Christian come to appreciate whether a social custom is acceptable for them or not.
So one guy is weird on his birthday and nobody gets a nod on his own?
I find it incredible that the proser of the argument states that JW witness parents must deprive their kids in some way when only recently he had divulged to us that having no toilet paper he used a Jehovahs witness publication to wipe the excrement from his posterior only to find out that it was printed or rather better quality paper than he is used to, i relate this for while he has not toilet paper my kids have more designer clothes than Victoria Beckham! and yet they are the deprived ones? woa!