Originally posted by bobbob1056th Ok, I might understand if you rejected a free car. Or even a million dollars. But why would anyone reject salvation from the Lord Jesus? I'd like some reasons here please.
It's very difficult to answer the question without seeming disrespectful toward your beliefs.
You believe Jesus was the Son of God and the key to your Salvation. I do not.
A friend of mine responded thusly to a theological thread regarding Mel Gibson's "The Passion":
There once was a book. And this book was filled with metaphorical tales whose characters may or may not have existed and may or may not have been personified beyond reality. And this book told stories meant to teach the basis of human nature in hopes that if a person read this book that they may learn to be better people from its simple lessons. And over the ages it has been reprinted and the stories retold and their meanings reexamined. But in the end it is still a book with metaphorical tales meant to simply teach a lesson. That book was Aesop's Fables.
Anything that can 'die' is not God. Anything, surely, that can be limited to and contained in human form is, similarly, not God. When I was young I couldn't understand what these people were trying to say about Jesus, only later did I realise that was because it doesn't make any sense.
Originally posted by LemonJello but at the end of the day, the arbitrary dogma associated with the christian belief system is stifling. i reject accepting arbitrary dogma.
Originally posted by dj2becker Did Zues or Odin or Allah die for your sins on the cross?
Were any of them raised from the dead?
They're GODS silly; how can they be dead to be raised? Heracles went to Hades and returned; would that be good enough for you to accept him as the Son of God, which ancient texts claimed him to be?
How do you know that anyone died on a cross "for your sins"? Couldn't they have just died on a cross because they messed with the wrong Roman? Something like 15,000 slaves died on the cross for participating in Spartacus' revolt against Rome; I assume you don't believe they died "for your sins"; why do you believe Jesus did so - cuz an ancient book says so?
Originally posted by bobbob1056th Ok, I might understand if you rejected a free car. Or even a million dollars. But why would anyone reject salvation from the Lord Jesus? I'd like some reasons here please.
I have a pearl in my house, but I can't find it for the clutter. I can do some of the clearing away on my own, to make the looking easier. I may require the assistance of others once I've cleared all I can, but there is no one particular other that is solely qualified to assist.
Originally posted by no1marauder They're GODS silly; how can they be dead to be raised? Heracles went to Hades and returned; would that be good enough for you to accept him as the Son of God, which ancient texts claimed him to be?
How do you know that anyone died on a cross "for your sins"? Couldn't they have just died on a cross because they messed with the wro ...[text shortened]... ieve they died "for your sins"; why do you believe Jesus did so - cuz an ancient book says so?
Well if you think it is just an ancient book, I understand your view. But, what about all its phophecies and their fulfilments? Surely you can't just ignore them?
Originally posted by dj2becker Well if you think it is just an ancient book, I understand your view. But, what about all its phophecies and their fulfilments? Surely you can't just ignore them?
The record is skipping again . . . and again . . . and again . . .
Originally posted by dj2becker Well if you think it is just an ancient book, I understand your view. But, what about all its phophecies and their fulfilments? Surely you can't just ignore them?
I'm not too strong in the Bible, what prophecies and fulfilments does it talk about?
Originally posted by dj2becker Well if you think it is just an ancient book, I understand your view. But, what about all its phophecies and their fulfilments? Surely you can't just ignore them?
I haven't seen a single specific prophecy from the OT that was fulfilled with the possible exception of some concerning Jesus and those events could have been done with the prophecies in mind. For the rest, our discussion in the Biblical Prophecies thread shows that the original prophecies were soooooooo vague that any number of later events could have been said to have "fulfilled" them, sort of like Nostradamus or Jeanne Dixon.
Originally posted by no1marauder I haven't seen a single specific prophecy from the OT that was fulfilled with the possible exception of some concerning Jesus and those events could have been done with the prophecies in mind. For the rest, our discussion in the Biblical Prophecies thread shows that the original prophecies were soooooooo vague that any number of later events could have been said to have "fulfilled" them, sort of like Nostradamus or Jeanne Dixon.
Prophecy is foretelling an event in such detail before it happens so as to necessarily require divine guidance. The Bible is a book containing hundreds of detailed prophecies. There are, for example, well over 60 distinct predictions in regard to our divine Saviour Jesus Christ. Here is a sample of just 10 prophecies that foretold the crucifixion of Christ. Not only were the predictions made 1000 years before Christ came from heaven to earth, but they were made over 500 years before crucifixion was first used anywhere in the world as a form of capital punishment! Crucifixion didn't exist when the prophecies were made.
A scientist picked out 48 such prophecies and determined that the probability of one man randomly fulfilling them all is 1 in 10 to the exponent of 157. That is one followed by 157 zeros! Your chances of winning a typical lottery jackpot is about 1 in 108. (100,000,000) Yet, Jesus fulfilled all the prophecies!
Originally posted by dj2becker Prophecy is foretelling an event in such detail before it happens so as to necessarily require divine guidance. The Bible is a book containing hundreds of detailed prophecies. There are, for example, well over 60 distinct predictions in regard to our divine Saviour Jesus Christ. Here is a sample of just 10 prophecies that foretold the crucifixion of Christ ...[text shortened]... 000,000) Yet, Jesus fulfilled all the prophecies!
See:http://www.bible.ca/b-prophecy-60.htm
LOL. Those are the funniest prophecies I've seen in a long time. I especialy enjoyed nos 46 and 48:
Originally posted by dj2becker The two by themselves may have been easy to fulfil, but take them together with all the others and the chances become slimmer.
A lot of the crucifixtion ones rely on Psalm 22 as a description of Jesus' death yet Psalm 22:6 has this individual saying:
6 But I am a worm, and no man; A reproach of men, and despised of the people.
Did Jesus, the Son of God, consider himself a worm?
Why not accept Jesus Christ?
01 Jun '05 12:14
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