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Oh yeah, regicide, deicide, homocide, and filicide all follow from the responsibility of God for his own death and the properties of the trinity.
Originally posted by DarfiusThat makes no sense at all. Are you saying that somebody who sins INTENDS to repent? If they did, they wouldn't sin in the first place. Where in this passage does it say IF you repent your sins will be forgiven? You are simply creating a new definition for the word "wilful"; that word has nothing to do with later repentance or not.
It says if you sin wilfully. I would say Judas killed himself on purpose, eh?
Wilfully includes not willing to repent. Or planning to.
Jesus also said "Now go and sin no more." to the same adulteress. And it's God the Father that does the judging on Judgement day. Jesus' 1st coming wasn't to condemn the world, but to save it.
Originally posted by NemesioThank you. The reason I ask this question is because most people will automatically say no. I will study more on this and see if any passages hint or give direct forgiveness or not.
Well, working within a Christian theological framework,
anyone forgiven by Jesus or the Father (or by St Peter
as per St Matthew 16:19b and, by extension the other
leaders of the church), [b]anyone, including Judas would
be in heaven.
So, with the above givens, I have no difficultly believing
that Judas may have been forgiven and thus is ...[text shortened]... thodox
and not particularly well supported by Scripture, but not
utterly excluded.
Nemesio[/b]
Originally posted by NemesioIf Jesus "gave" or "yielded" up "the ghost" on the Cross before he normally would have died, did he commit suicide? After all, all men die, so all suicide does is hasten our deaths. Don't the wording of the Gospels indicate that Jesus deliberately died before he had to and thus commited suicide?
[b/]Originally posted by telerion
I thought that I should expound to you all why exactly I feel Jesus commited suicide and was not merely the innocent victim of human murderers. All of what I am about to say assumes that God (three ...[text shortened]... Would you call this suicide? I don't think I would.
Nemesio
Originally posted by NemesioIs'nt giving your life willfully for another the greatest gift you could ever give? This is what jesus did in essance.
Originally posted by telerion
[b]I thought that I should expound to you all why exactly I feel Jesus commited suicide and was not merely the innocent victim of human murderers. All of what I am about to say assumes that God (three in one: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) does in fact exist and is accurately described in the 66 books of the Holy Bible.[ ...[text shortened]...
but dying in the process.
Would you call this suicide? I don't think I would.
Nemesio
Originally posted by no1marauderI don't have a vested interest in it, but I don't take 'gave up His spirit'
If Jesus "gave" or "yielded" up "the ghost" on the Cross before he normally would have died, did he commit suicide? After all, all men die, so all suicide does is hasten our deaths. Don't the wording of the Gospels indicate that Jesus deliberately died before he had to and thus commited suicide?
Originally posted by NemesioWhat are your views on the Gospel of Thomas? Or should we start another thread for that?
Originally posted by Nyxie
[b]Is'nt giving your life willfully for another the greatest gift you could ever give? This is what jesus did in essance.
Well, this is the theological explanation for it, especially the Johannine one.
And, yes, I believe that, as St John's Jesus said, the greatest gift or expression
of love a person can give is ...[text shortened]... that I have read a great many of these so-called
non-canonical books and they are fascinating.[/b]
Originally posted by NyxieYou are lucky, because I am tired and going to bed, you are going
What are your views on the Gospel of Thomas? Or should we start another thread for that?
Nyxie
Originally posted by Nemesio1. Concept of the Inerrancy of Scripture
Originally posted by Nyxie
[b]Is'nt giving your life willfully for another the greatest gift you could ever give? This is what jesus did in essance.
Well, this is the theological explanation for it, especially the Johannine one.
And, yes, I believe that, as St John's Jesus said, the greatest gift or expression
of love a person can give is ...[text shortened]... that I have read a great many of these so-called
non-canonical books and they are fascinating.[/b]