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  1. Standard member Nyxie
    The eyes of truth
    11 Mar '05 00:03
    Well what say you?


    Nyxie
  2. Standard member RBHILL
    Acts 13:48
    11 Mar '05 00:07
    Originally posted by Nyxie
    Well what say you?


    Nyxie
    No, because the Bible says he was doomed to hell.
  3. Standard member RBHILL
    Acts 13:48
    11 Mar '05 00:09
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    No, because the Bible says he was doomed to hell.
    John 17:12 While I was with them, I kept them in thy name, which thou hast given me; I have guarded them, and none of them is lost but the son of perdition, that the scripture might be fulfilled.
  4. Standard member Nyxie
    The eyes of truth
    11 Mar '05 00:10
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    No, because the Bible says he was doomed to hell.
    Please provide the corresponding passages.

    Was Judas not the very first person to be forgiven by Jesus? Did Judas not play an intrical role in the whole thing? What if he had not betrayed Christ? Did Christ not himself tell him he expected him to do it?

    Nyxie
  5. Standard member Nyxie
    The eyes of truth
    11 Mar '05 00:11
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    John 17:12 While I was with them, I kept them in thy name, which thou hast given me; I have guarded them, and none of them is lost but the son of perdition, that the scripture might be fulfilled.
    Where does it say that Judas is the son of perdition?

    Thanks for the Bible passage.

    Nyxie
  6. 11 Mar '05 00:13
    Originally posted by Nyxie
    Well what say you?


    Nyxie

    What say you ?
  7. Standard member Nyxie
    The eyes of truth
    11 Mar '05 00:15
    Originally posted by ivanhoe

    What say you ?
    I believe he was forgiven by Jesus, and in the end realized what he had done. He in his heart believed in Jesus upon his death.

    Nyxie

    Now : what say you?
  8. Standard member Darfius
    The Apologist
    11 Mar '05 02:52
    Originally posted by Nyxie
    I believe he was forgiven by Jesus, and in the end realized what he had done. He in his heart believed in Jesus upon his death.

    Nyxie

    Now : what say you?
    Judas committed suicide. He is most assuredly in hell, though of course Jesus forgave Him. But Jesus forgives all of us. We have to accept it.
  9. Donation kirksey957
    Outkast
    11 Mar '05 03:03
    Originally posted by Darfius
    Judas committed suicide. He is most assuredly in hell, though of course Jesus forgave Him. But Jesus forgives all of us. We have to accept it.
    Uh...could you help me here. I'm confused.
  10. Standard member Darfius
    The Apologist
    11 Mar '05 03:23
    Originally posted by kirksey957
    Uh...could you help me here. I'm confused.
    Jesus forgave all of our sins--past, present, future--when He died on that cross. It is up to us to accept the forgiveness. Judas clearly did not, since if he had, he would have let God lead his life, not him.
  11. Donation kirksey957
    Outkast
    11 Mar '05 03:51
    Originally posted by Darfius
    Jesus forgave all of our sins--past, present, future--when He died on that cross. It is up to us to accept the forgiveness. Judas clearly did not, since if he had, he would have let God lead his life, not him.
    OK, so if Judas accepted forgiveness.....this is where I'm confused because you say Jesus forgave all of our sins "past, present , and future" so what difference would it make if Judas accepted forgiveness as they were forgiven anyway. I guess another thing I hear you saying is that suicide damns somebody to hell.
  12. 11 Mar '05 03:55
    Originally posted by Nyxie
    I believe he was forgiven by Jesus, and in the end realized what he had done. He in his heart believed in Jesus upon his death.

    Nyxie

    Now : what say you?

    I say you said this very nicely, but it is speculation.

    There are no definite references in the Gospel for assuming one or the other.
  13. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    11 Mar '05 03:56
    Originally posted by kirksey957
    OK, so if Judas accepted forgiveness.....this is where I'm confused because you say Jesus forgave all of our sins "past, present , and future" so what difference would it make if Judas accepted forgiveness as they were forgiven anyway. I guess another thing I hear you saying is that suicide damns somebody to hell.
    He's asserted that before although he has failed to provide a Biblical passage that explicitly condemns suicide. Passages that condemn "murder" and then an argument from Darfius that suicide is "self-murder" don't count.
  14. Donation kirksey957
    Outkast
    11 Mar '05 03:57
    Originally posted by ivanhoe

    I say you said this very nicely, but it is speculation.

    There are no definite references in the Gospel for assuming one or the other.
    Is there any Catholic doctrine that we all betray Christ in sinning?
  15. 11 Mar '05 03:59
    Originally posted by kirksey957
    OK, so if Judas accepted forgiveness.....this is where I'm confused because you say Jesus forgave all of our sins "past, present , and future" so what difference would it make if Judas accepted forgiveness as they were forgiven anyway. I guess another thing I hear you saying is that suicide damns somebody to hell.
    Kirk: " ...... this is where I'm confused because you say Jesus forgave all of our sins "past, present , and future" so what difference would it make if Judas accepted forgiveness as they were forgiven anyway."

    ..... are you being humurous again or are you really confused. I make a bet on the latter ...... are you for real ?