There is NOT one Christian who posts in this forum who believes that doing good works, and following the commands of Jesus, isn't a critical part of being a Christian.
The only difference between them and Rajk is that they feel that knowing Jesus 'first' is essential, and that by knowing Jesus they will desire to do good works.
It's time that Rajk stops his works nonsense and putting lies out there.
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@chaney3 saidWhich Christians here 'teach' that - to be a follower of Jesus - one must obey his commandments and do good works? One or two exceptions aside, the kinds of Christians who happen to have coagulated on this forum say almost nothing about obeying Jesus' commandments and doing good works, except to insist there is no obligation or to smear such walking-the-walk Christian living as being "boastful" or "egotistical" etc.
There is NOT one Christian who posts in this forum who believes that doing good works, and following the commands of Jesus, isn't a critical part of being a Christian.
This has been true here for many years. How many Chistians here talk about their faith as a code for living in a practical and real world sense? How many threads are started to talk about Jesus' commandments in action? Hardly any. How many threads are started to talk about good works preventing faith from being "dead"? Hardly any. How many threads are started to talk about Christianity being a plan for living and not just an arid and intellectualized ideology? Hardly any.
I think this forum would be nothing more than a back-slapping / free pass / think-yer-way-to-heaven / "salvation"-ensured-come-what-may echo chamber without the perspective of a poster like Rajk999 and there you are calling him a liar and insisting he stop posting.
It seems you favour the version of Christianity that I attempted to satirize on my thread "The Very User-Friendly Diet".
@chaney3 saidThere are many examples of Christians condemning good works. Recently secondson said that it was an insult to Christ because Christ's work on the cross was sufficient. Nothing more was required. he said that I was trying to place a burden on the Christian which Jesus removed.
There is NOT one Christian who posts in this forum who believes that doing good works, and following the commands of Jesus, isn't a critical part of being a Christian.
The only difference between them and Rajk is that they feel that knowing Jesus 'first' is essential, and that by knowing Jesus they will desire to do good works.
It's time that Rajk stops his works nonsense and putting lies out there.
@rajk999 saidIf you want to debate a Christian on what exactly gets a person to Heaven, that's one thing, but implying that any Christian thinks good works is not necessary is pure dishonesty.
There are many examples of Christians condemning good works. Recently secondson said that it was an insult to Christ because Christ's work on the cross was sufficient. Nothing more was required. he said that I was trying to place a burden on the Christian which Jesus removed.
You are TOO blind to see the difference.
ALL Christians believe that good works are vital.....do you get that?
YOU just happen to personally believe that the crucifixion was a waste of time because good works alone does the trick.
Get it????
@fmf saidOnce again, ALL Christians believe good works are a vital part of being a Christian.
Which Christians here 'teach' that - to be a follower of Jesus - one must obey his commandments and do good works? One or two exceptions aside, the kinds of Christians who happen to have coagulated on this forum say almost nothing about obeying Jesus' commandments and doing good works, except to insist there is no obligation or to smear such walking-the-walk Christian living as b ...[text shortened]... the version of Christianity that I attempted to satirize on my thread "The Very User-Friendly Diet".
As I said to Rajk, a different debate on salvation with regards to works is just that, a different debate.
But good works are not ignored.
@fmf saidI was speaking to Rajk, but the post is for you as well.
No, you are mistaken. I understand the debate well. I have been following it for 40+ years and for 12+ years here in this community. I am not "blind" to anything. You and I disagree on this issue, that's all.
Both yourself and Rajk are confused.
@chaney3 saidI was a committed Christian for over 25 years of my adult life. I am not "confused" by the debates about the theology of living a Christian life. I may not have Christian faith anymore, but I can certainly see the difference between sonship's wishy-washy and essentially narcissistic Think Your Way To Heaven ideology and the crucial idea that Christian beliefs are a code for living in a real-world and practical sense.
Both yourself and Rajk are confused.
@rajk999 saidI recently repeatedly asked SecondSon if he believed that Jesus' death absolved him of any obligation, as a Christian, to obey Jesus' commandments and do good works and, although he normally likes to throw back word salads at me post after post often with words he doesn't seem to understand or topics he doesn't understand - he blanked out the question every time. You get the same kind of thing with KellyJay and sonship.
There are many examples of Christians condemning good works. Recently secondson said that it was an insult to Christ because Christ's work on the cross was sufficient. Nothing more was required. he said that I was trying to place a burden on the Christian which Jesus removed.
@fmf saidI remember that. Their doctrine is that no good works, neither following the commandments are necessary for eternal life. It gets worse. Accirding to them even if the saved Christian commits the most heinous acts of evil he will still get eternal life. Cheney3 is mistaken, but judging from his past it's no surprise.
I recently repeatedly asked SecondSon if he believed that Jesus' death absolved him of any obligation, as a Christian, to obey Jesus' commandments and do good works and, although he normally likes to throw back word salads at me post after post often with words he doesn't seem to understand or topics he doesn't understand - he blanked out the question every time. You get the same kind of thing with KellyJay and sonship.
@chaney3 saidSo, you have interviewed them, then?
There is NOT one Christian who posts in this forum who believes that doing good works, and following the commands of Jesus, isn't a critical part of being a Christian.
The only difference between them and Rajk is that they feel that knowing Jesus 'first' is essential, and that by knowing Jesus they will desire to do good works.
It's time that Rajk stops his works nonsense and putting lies out there.