Originally posted by @suzianneBeliefs are simply a particular type of thought. These two sentences mean the same thing: [1] I believe Jesus died for our "sins", [2] I think Jesus died for our "sins". Having this one idea (expressed in two slightly different sentences) is a function of the organ which is our brains. A metaphor about thoughts originating from some other organ in the body is a metaphor and that's all.
Yeah, well, we're all good at some things and horrible at others.
What you are theorizing here is not the meaning of the many phrases exclusive to the Bible which speak of the heart. No worries, it's not the first thing about the Bible you've gotten wrong, and I daresay it won't be the last.
Originally posted by @fmfAnd frankly, this is why you err.
Beliefs are simply a particular type of thought. These two sentences mean the same thing: [1] I believe Jesus died for our "sins", [2] I think Jesus died for our "sins". Having this one idea (expressed in two slightly different sentences) is a function of the organ which is our brains. A metaphor about thoughts originating from some other organ in the body is a metaphor and that's all.
Originally posted by @fmfYou’d think a person who repeatedly attacked someone under false pretenses would offer an apology when he realized his attacks were in error.
Are you done with what were talking about then?
But such a person would have to have class to do that, which is why I don’t, and never did, expect an apology from the people in here who did it.
Originally posted by @suzianneThere has been no "piss-taking". It's a bit unfair that I indulge you and your posting style, and then call it "piss-taking". I think I have been keeping pretty much to the topics in hand and I have been polite to you.
No, this is enough of your "piss-taking" for me tonight.
Originally posted by @romans1009What are you on about?
You’d think a person who repeatedly attacked someone under false pretenses would offer an apology when he realized his attacks were in error. But such a person would have to have class to do that, which is why I don’t, and never did, expect an apology from the people in here who did it.
Originally posted by @fmfSo you're going for the "cookie trifecta" tonight?
There has been no "piss-taking". It's a bit unfair that I indulge you and your posting style, and then call it "piss-taking". I think I have been keeping pretty much to the topics in hand and I have been polite to you.
Splendid.
I think we're both done here. Finish with a few breathing exercises and I think we can call it a night. 🙂
Originally posted by @suzianneHow so?
And frankly, this is why you err.
If a person gets an artificial heart what happens to their belief that they "accept Jesus as their Lord and saviour"? If a person is on life support and their brain is dead but their heart is still beating, what happens to their belief that they "accept Jesus as their Lord and saviour"?
The "heart belief" thing is just a metaphor.
Originally posted by @fmfSo there are no degrees of belief and no convictions regarding beliefs?
Beliefs are simply a particular type of thought. These two sentences mean the same thing: [1] I believe Jesus died for our "sins", [2] I think Jesus died for our "sins". Having this one idea (expressed in two slightly different sentences) is a function of the organ which is our brains. A metaphor about thoughts originating from some other organ in the body is a metaphor and that's all.
Saying “I believe it’s going to rain today” carries the same weight in intent and meaning as “I believe I would lay down my life for you.”
Originally posted by @romans1009I have said no such thing.
So there are no degrees of belief and no convictions regarding beliefs?
Saying “I believe it’s going to rain today” carries the same weight in intent and meaning as “I believe I would lay down my life for you.”
But you or I believing “it’s going to rain today” and us believing we “would lay down our lives for someone” are both thoughts and thus functions of the brain.
I have not claimed that every thought carries the same weight in intent and meaning, or anything even remotely like it.
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Originally posted by @suzianneEdit: Will come back to this.
Um, yeah, this is pre-destination, possibly the absolute worst part of a horrible belief, AKA Calvinism.
This verse speaks of the elect, which many think they are, but in fact are not.
Originally posted by @fmfThen you agree with what I wrote earlier where I said since you have a problem with the concept of believing something in one’s heart that a similar way of saying that is a strong, sincere, committed and self-sacrificing belief.
I have said no such thing.
But you or I believing “it’s going to rain today” and us believing we “would lay down our lives for someone” are both thoughts and thus functions of the brain.
I have not claimed that every thought carries the same weight in intent and meaning, or anything even remotely like it.