Would you take the mark?

Originally posted by Churlant
Given the nearly impossible scope of establishing and maintaining that level of control over every individual on the planet, it is indeed extremely hard to imagine how the prophecy could unfold.

-JC

I hate to burst your bubble.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/7/24/124513.shtml

This web site explains that the technology is here and is being used. Chips implanted under the skin are being used to display a wide array of personal information such as medical info and tracking info.

There is also a big push for a national ID in the States and elsewhere.

http://news.com.com/National+ID+cards+on+the+way/2100-1028_3-5573414.html

Originally posted by Churlant
In reality it is not so difficult at all. Most of us are simply used to the convenience (and inconvenience) of current financial systems. It isn't so difficult to exist "off the grid" if you are willing to give up certain luxuries (constant internet access, for instance).

In any event, I still cannot see a point where our entire society would be prohibit ...[text shortened]... e transactions, even down the road. Made more difficult perhaps, but never impossible.

-JC

It will come down to people's fear of identity theft.If your ID is implanted it can not be stolen easily.It will be mandatory that you have an implant.It contains all your medical and financial info etc.It will be your credit cards,drivers license,your passwords on your computer.You won't be able to work or buy or sell without one.Just as Bible prophecy foretold.

Originally posted by aspviper666
It will come down to people's fear of identity theft.If your ID is implanted it can not be stolen easily.It will be mandatory that you have an implant.It contains all your medical and financial info etc.It will be your credit cards,drivers license,your passwords on your computer.You won't be able to work or buy or sell without one.Just as Bible prophecy foretold.

So will you take the mark? Does this mean you believe the Bible?

Originally posted by whodey
I hate to burst your bubble.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/7/24/124513.shtml

This web site explains that the technology is here and is being used. Chips implanted under the skin are being used to display a wide array of personal information such as medical info and tracking info.

There is also a big push for a national ID in the States a computer.You won't be able to work or buy or sell without one.Just as Bible prophecy foretold.

Originally posted by aspviper666


It will come down to people's fear of identity theft.If your ID is implanted it can not be stolen easily.It will be mandatory that you have an implant.It contains all your medical and financial info etc.It will be your credit cards,drivers license,your passwords on your computer.You won't be able to work or buy or sell without one.Just as Bible prophecy foretold.



Both of you obviously haven't the faintest idea how difficult such a system would be to put into place on a mandatory, world-wide scale. We're talking billions of people, even after the True Believers have vanished, and every live birth thereafter. Many of those people will not want an "implant" placed into themselves or their children. They will resist.

-JC

Originally posted by Churlant
Originally posted by aspviper666


It will come down to people's fear of identity theft.If your ID is implanted it can not be stolen easily.It will be mandatory that you have an implant.It contains all your medical and financial info etc.It will be your credit cards,drivers license,your passwords on your computer.You won't be able to work or bu l not want an "implant" placed into themselves or their children. They will resist.

-JC

Some people feel that way about inocculations, as well.

Many of those people will not want an "implant" placed into themselves or their children. They will resist.

-JC[/b]

Resistance is futile they will force you to behave.

The problem with prophesy is that it is necessarily vague. Now if you suspect something is 'the mark' but dont know for sure, should you reject it?
What if you have already taken it without knowing? Maybe the US dollar is the mark to be. (Or the Chinese Yen).
Is forknowledge a prerequisite for punishment? If a good Christian states clearly that he will reject the mark but does not recognise it when he recieves it is he still damned?

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And why will God punish people for accepting the mark anyway? Is it a test of faith? Just plain meanness?

In case nobody noticed Tuesday next week will be 6/6/6

Originally posted by twhitehead
The problem with prophesy is that it is necessarily vague. Now if you suspect something is 'the mark' but dont know for sure, should you reject it?
What if you have already taken it without knowing? Maybe the US dollar is the mark to be. (Or the Chinese Yen).
Is forknowledge a prerequisite for punishment? If a good Christian states clearly that he will ...[text shortened]... l God punish people for accepting the mark anyway? Is it a test of faith? Just plain meanness?

The problem with prophesy is that it is necessarily vague.

What?! Vagueness is certainly not necessary for prophecy. Which sect were you involved with?

Your unmitigated generalizations about religion are getting tiring and frankly I’d say you’ve long ago spent your “I come from a Christian background so I should know everything about it” wildcard.

Originally posted by Halitose
What?! Vagueness is certainly not necessary for prophecy. Which sect were you involved with?

I am not talking about sects nor anything I have been involved with but about prophesy in general. Now if an exact date had been given for this "number of the beast" which as far as I know is not actually quoted as 666....

Your unmitigated generalizations about religion are getting tiring and frankly I’d say you’ve long ago spent your “I come from a Christian background so I should know everything about it” wildcard.
It wasnt a generalization about religion but about prophesy. And no I have never claimed to know everything about religion. However neither can you claim to know everything about religion or Christianity. I probably know as much about the religion as you do.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Some people feel that way about inocculations, as well.

Precisely. Thank you for illustrating my point.

-JC

Originally posted by Churlant
Originally posted by aspviper666

Both of you obviously haven't the faintest idea how difficult such a system would be to put into place on a mandatory, world-wide scale. We're talking billions of people, even after the True Believers have vanished, and every live birth thereafter. Many of those people will not want an "implant" placed into themselves or their children. They will resist.

-JC

As we all know power comes through control. You see it every day as governments around the globe become more and more paternalistic and socialistic. People are increasingly dependent on Big Brother. Granted, the system may be difficult to impliment world wide, it does not have to be implimented on a world wide scale for it to begin. As I have shown, it is a work in progress.

By the way, you never did answer the question. If you were told to take such a mark in your right hand or forehead, would you take it?

Originally posted by twhitehead
Obviously anyone who believes in God and in the accuracy of that particular bit of the Bible and believe that being damned is an undesirable thing would go for the martyring and the rest of us would take the mark. However the fact that we dont believe in it means we would not actually know we are taking it. So no one would willingly take what they know is ...[text shortened]... for doing 'wrong' even if they are not aware that it is 'wrong'. Therefore he is not just.

Not knowing about a law is not an excuse for breaking it even among
men. Not knowing about a danger a bad thing and the end results
can lead to some nasty things depending on what the danger is.
Kelly

Originally posted by whodey
As we all know power comes through control. You see it every day as governments around the globe become more and more paternalistic and socialistic. People are increasingly dependent on Big Brother. Granted, the system may be difficult to impliment world wide, it does not have to be implimented on a world wide scale for it to begin. As I have shown, it is ...[text shortened]... estion. If you were told to take such a mark in your right hand or forehead, would you take it?

I would not take the mark because I would not need to. I would be quite content to operate as an "outlaw", transacting on whatever black market might be in existence should such a silly situation come to pass.

Governments may be able to gain power, but that power is never absolute, and the larger the scale, the harder it is to maintain control. Just look at any war in history to understand this lesson.

-JC

Originally posted by twhitehead
I am not talking about sects nor anything I have been involved with but about prophesy in general. Now if an exact date had been given for this "number of the beast" which as far as I know is not actually quoted as 666....

[b]Your unmitigated generalizations about religion are getting tiring and frankly I’d say you’ve long ago spent your “I come from a ...[text shortened]... erything about religion or Christianity. I probably know as much about the religion as you do.

[/b][/b]I am not talking about sects nor anything I have been involved with but about prophesy in general.

Prophesy in general is associated with the supernatural and by implication religion. You claimed that an essential attribute of prophecy is vagueness. Why can there not be a specific prophecy?

which as far as I know is not actually quoted as 666....

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.*

However neither can you claim to know everything about religion or Christianity.

My only claim is being a pilgrim in search of Truth. I've made no claim of being an expert on anything and as such will only share my opinion and thoughts on any matter at hand -- not hasty generalizations about people/religious groups (including atheists such as yourself). I've realised that it is impossible to box people into groups, tag 'em and ship ‘em off for good; I think you would be wise to apply it to your perspective on Christianity (and all other religions for that matter).

If a statement such as the one about prophecy is made, I will challenge you to sustain it. Sadly I've found your many generalizations about Christianity unsubstantiated and ill informed at worst and out of kilter at best.

I probably know as much about the religion [Christianity] as you do.

I'm not getting pulled into a d$ck-comparison contest, thanks; I've found mud-slinging to only get your hands dirty while losing a lot of ground. 😉


* FYI Threescore = 60.