Originally posted by @fmfYou’re not aware of how much evil and suffering there is in the world?
Yeah, so said Jeremiah 2,600 years ago. There has probably never been a better time in history - and in a way that affects more people than ever before - to be alive. You'd be laughed off the stage by walk-the-walk Indonesian Christians at the kind of meeting I mentioned.
Originally posted by @romans1009If God 'doesn't' in fact exist, then it makes no difference if we believe in him or not.
God exists whether people believe in Him or not. You can’t be sure God does not exist. Therefore you can’t be sure an issue does not exist between you and Him. It’s really quite simple.
Can you confirm you understand that?
Originally posted by @fmfThis is how you debate when you need to unload your anger and frustrations onto total strangers. Why not work on improving your life instead? Treat the disease, not the symptoms.
I suggest you write it on a sandwich board and traipse up and down the main street wherever you live.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeIf you’re posing that statement as a thought experiment, obviously it makes sense. If it’s intended to be anything more than a thought experiment, it’s worthless, imo.
If God 'doesn't' in fact exist, then it makes no difference if we believe in him or not.
Can you confirm you understand that?
Originally posted by @romans1009I'm simply pointing out that the starting point of your premise 'God exists...' isn't proven.
If you’re posing that statement as a thought experiment, obviously it makes sense. If it’s intended to be anything more than a thought experiment, it’s worthless, imo.
So the statement 'God exists whether we believe in him or not.' makes no sense. You would need to qualify it with 'To me, as a Christian, God exists whether you believe in him or not.' That would make sense.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeYour premise ignores all the evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ and existence of God. That’s why it’s a thought experiment.
I'm simply pointing out that the starting point of your premise 'God exists...' isn't proven.
So the statement 'God exists whether we believe in him or not.' makes no sense. You would need to qualify it with 'To me, as a Christian, God exists whether you believe in him or not.' That would make sense.
Originally posted by @romans1009All religions believe they have such evidence. Why is yours correct?
Your premise ignores all the evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ and existence of God. That’s why it’s a thought experiment.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeWhat’s the evidence that God spoke to Muhammad? What’s the evidence that the Hindu gods exist? You must know if you have a theology degree. Why not share that information with the forum? I think it’d be very interesting.
All religions believe they have such evidence. Why is yours correct?
Originally posted by @romans1009There is no issue "between" me and anybody's god figure.
I’m not suggesting a relationship exists and never have because I think that takes mutual interest or at least mutual recognition of each other’s existence.
I’m saying an issue exists between you and God. That’s all I’ve ever said or meant.
Originally posted by @romans1009There are still many problems, a lot of suffering, and people continue to do terrible things to one another.
You’re not aware of how much evil and suffering there is in the world?
Originally posted by @fmfAs I’ve repeatedly said, you don’t know for certain God doesn’t exist. And, if God does exist, He has a say in whether an issue exists between you and Him.
There is no issue "between" me and anybody's god figure.
You obviously can’t refute that point and continuing to repeat the same thing over and over is basically an admission of that.
Originally posted by @romans1009Bump for Ghost.
What’s the evidence that God spoke to Muhammad? What’s the evidence that the Hindu gods exist? You must know if you have a theology degree. Why not share that information with the forum? I think it’d be very interesting.
Originally posted by @romans1009God = Bible.
What’s the evidence that God spoke to Muhammad? What’s the evidence that the Hindu gods exist? You must know if you have a theology degree. Why not share that information with the forum? I think it’d be very interesting.
Allah = Koran.
Brahma = Vedas.
Again, what makes your particular evidence credible or more compelling? (Naturally, I dismiss all of it as 'evidence' of the divine).