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Spirituality

  1. Subscriber FMF
    Main Poster
    26 Apr '18 10:34 / 1 edit
    I have often consulted the Answering Islam website over the years ~ maybe the last time was in about January. I just tried to have a look and it has been blocked by Indonesia's Ministry of Communications and Information.

    The reason given is that it falls foul of the SARA principle ~ stands for "Suku , Agama, Ras, dan Antar Golongan" ~ disallowing 'hate speech' about tribe [ethnicity], religion, race and inter-group conflict ~ ostensibly in the interests of social cohesion in this constitutionally multi-faith and ethnically diverse nation.

    I am not sure what exact day the decision was made to block it, but it was a bad day for this country.
  2. 26 Apr '18 10:44
    Originally posted by @fmf
    I have often consulted the Answering Islam website over the years ~ maybe the last time was in about January. I just tried to have a look and it has been blocked by Indonesia's Ministry of Communications and Information.

    The reason given is that it falls foul of the SARA principle ~ stands for "Suku , Agama, Ras, dan Antar Golongan" ~ disallowing 'hate spee ...[text shortened]... ot sure what exact day the decision was made to block it, but it was a bad day for this country.
    Use the Tor network, should be able to get what you want. I realize your post has less to do with gaining access to the website and more to do with decisions of the governing authorities, but if information is what you are after?

    https://www.torproject.org/
  3. Standard member Ghost of a Duke
    Zen Master
    26 Apr '18 10:44
    Originally posted by @fmf
    I have often consulted the Answering Islam website over the years ~ maybe the last time was in about January. I just tried to have a look and it has been blocked by Indonesia's Ministry of Communications and Information.

    The reason given is that it falls foul of the SARA principle ~ stands for "Suku , Agama, Ras, dan Antar Golongan" ~ disallowing 'hate spee ...[text shortened]... ot sure what exact day the decision was made to block it, but it was a bad day for this country.
    "I can access it," said a decidedly smug Ghost sipping his cappuccino.
  4. Subscriber FMF
    Main Poster
    26 Apr '18 10:59
    Originally posted by @leunammi
    Use the Tor network, should be able to get what you want. I realize your post has less to do with gaining access to the website and more to do with decisions of the governing authorities, but if information is what you are after?

    https://www.torproject.org/
    Thanks for the excellent tip!
  5. Subscriber Rajk999
    Enjoying
    26 Apr '18 11:01 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @fmf
    I have often consulted the Answering Islam website over the years ~ maybe the last time was in about January. I just tried to have a look and it has been blocked by Indonesia's Ministry of Communications and Information.

    The reason given is that it falls foul of the SARA principle ~ stands for "Suku , Agama, Ras, dan Antar Golongan" ~ disallowing 'hate spee ...[text shortened]... ot sure what exact day the decision was made to block it, but it was a bad day for this country.
    Looks like a lot of good information is in there. What topics exactly would contain the hate speech etc stuff. Wont mind having a read of it. Maybe they can tone down the offending parts.
  6. Subscriber FMF
    Main Poster
    26 Apr '18 11:18 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Looks like a lot of good information is in there. What topics exactly would contain the hate speech etc stuff. Wont mind having a read of it. Maybe then can tone down the offending parts.
    It's just a lot of "rebuttal" stuff - analysis - and that rubs people in power up the wrong way plus they get lobbied by "devout" activists (a.k.a. fundamentalists) who can 'create politics' through social media which is booming here. Dissent gets smeared as "hate speech" all over the world nowadays, regardless of the age of the democracy ~ which is only in its 20th year here. I can't recall seeing anything I would regard as "hate speech" but there might have been some 'readers' comments' etc.
  7. 26 Apr '18 19:41
    Originally posted by @fmf
    I have often consulted the Answering Islam website over the years ~ maybe the last time was in about January. I just tried to have a look and it has been blocked by Indonesia's Ministry of Communications and Information.

    The reason given is that it falls foul of the SARA principle ~ stands for "Suku , Agama, Ras, dan Antar Golongan" ~ disallowing 'hate spee ...[text shortened]... ot sure what exact day the decision was made to block it, but it was a bad day for this country.
    Yes, disapointing and surprising considering that where you live seems to be somewhat egalitarian and free. Although I understand that the north west region can be quite strict.
  8. 26 Apr '18 21:56
    Jeremiah 10:23
    O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

    Man can't govern himself. The world is coming apart, and it's only going to get worse.
  9. Subscriber FMF
    Main Poster
    26 Apr '18 22:36
    Originally posted by @secondson
    Man can't govern himself. The world is coming apart, and it's only going to get worse.
    Indonesia has progressed by leaps and bounds according to just about every key indicator in the last quarter of a century.
  10. 26 Apr '18 23:10
    Originally posted by @fmf
    Indonesia has progressed by leaps and bounds according to just about every key indicator in the last quarter of a century.
    Ever since you got there right?

    Just give it time.
  11. Subscriber FMF
    Main Poster
    26 Apr '18 23:25
    Originally posted by @secondson
    Ever since you got there right?

    Just give it time.
    But it's getting better, not worse, unlike what you suggested. How much time did "Jeremiah" tell you to 'just give it'?
  12. 27 Apr '18 19:18
    Originally posted by @fmf
    But it's getting better, not worse, unlike what you suggested. How much time did "Jeremiah" tell you to 'just give it'?
    So you think you found a nice safe place to live. Cozy is it tucked away in your little corner of the world.

    You're building on sand.
  13. Subscriber FMF
    Main Poster
    27 Apr '18 20:17 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @secondson
    So you think you found a nice safe place to live. Cozy is it tucked away in your little corner of the world.

    You're building on sand.
    No I live in a huge country that had a complicated set of seemingly insurmountable problems ruled over by a corrupt dictatorship that was facilitating its plundering that has nevertheless been throwing off those shackles and solving those problems steadily and systematically through fledgling democratic governance, a burgeoning civil society, rolling back grinding poverty, more women surviving giving birth, diseases being brought under control, peoole living longer, more people getting an education, more meaningful and robust human rights and justice system, freer and fairer elections, increasingly free press, infrastructure being built, schools, hospitals, better houses, growing prosperity, hundreds of millions of living breathing people living longer, living healthier, living with more freedom and choice, living more securely, hauling themselves up the bootsraps, warts and all, and not paying too much attention to pissmoaning first world pessimists wielding things like "Jeremiah" and oozing their sneering doomsday Christian ignorance and self-sanctified obliviousness in cyberspace.
  14. 27 Apr '18 21:43
    Originally posted by @fmf
    No I live in a huge country that had a complicated set of seemingly insurmountable problems ruled over by a corrupt dictatorship that was facilitating its plundering that has nevertheless been throwing off those shackles and solving those problems steadily and systematically through fledgling democratic governance, a burgeoning civil society, rolling back gr ...[text shortened]... ing their sneering doomsday Christian ignorance and self-sanctified obliviousness in cyberspace.
    So you're a patriot. Did you get all that out in one breath?

    God bless America.
  15. Subscriber FMF
    Main Poster
    28 Apr '18 00:16
    Originally posted by @secondson
    So you're a patriot. Did you get all that out in one breath?

    God bless America.
    You shouldn't allow your Bible to turn you into a trite and ill-informed misanthrope.