Originally posted by @fmfWhen a theist says 'the existence of God does not depend on you believing in Him,' I think they forget that goes both ways. Believing in something doesn't make it factual.
There is nothing "between" me and the god figure that is the centrepiece of your religious beliefs. Your certainty that your god figure exists does not alter this.
Originally posted by @fmfYou obviously cannot be certain that God does not exist. Therefore you cannot be certain there is nothing between you and God.
There is nothing "between" me and the god figure that is the centrepiece of your religious beliefs. Your certainty that your god figure exists does not alter this.
Originally posted by @romans1009Almost 3.45 am on the East Coast of the U.S.A. and here you are pretending that online “atheists” promote Islam.
Not interested in replying to your insults as you, like FMF, seem to rely on personalizing conversations so you can go that route.
On the little substance you offered, my impression of online atheists is obviously different than yours. Because neither one of us has interacted with a large enough sample of online atheists and are unable to be certain o ...[text shortened]... of Islam. That’s been my experience. Whether you believe it or not really doesn’t matter to me.
Originally posted by @fmfI never said you were a God hater. I said it was a general observation and told you not to take it personally when you did. I gave you a working definition of God hater masquerading as an atheist and if it didn’t apply to you, then obviously I wasn’t talking about you.
The point is this. You have read these words: I have never tried to convince anyone that their god figures do not exist. Never here, never in the 'real world'. Indeed, I have stated here on umpteen occasions that people should believe what they want and if their religious beliefs give them what they need, then that's good, especially if it helps them live their ...[text shortened]... ut on it for being disingenuous or dishonest or not conversing in good faith. That is the point.
You seem desperate to personalize this conversation.
Originally posted by @romans1009I don't believe you.
Not interested in replying to your insults as you, like FMF, seem to rely on personalizing conversations so you can go that route.
On the little substance you offered, my impression of online atheists is obviously different than yours. Because neither one of us has interacted with a large enough sample of online atheists and are unable to be certain o ...[text shortened]... of Islam. That’s been my experience. Whether you believe it or not really doesn’t matter to me.
Islam barely gets a mention in this forum, by theist or atheist.
Originally posted by @romans1009I can assure you there is nothing "between" me and your god figure. If I don't believe in your god figure then there can be no 'between-ness', in exactly the same way as there is nothing "between" you and the Hindu gods if you do not believe they exist.
You obviously cannot be certain that God does not exist. Therefore you cannot be certain there is nothing between you and God.
Originally posted by @fmfStill trying to personalize this conversation? Why do you always do that? Actually, I’ve already answered that - I think you need to vent a lot of anger and frustrations and you use this forum to do it.
Almost 3.45 am on the East Coast of the U.S.A. and here you are pretending that online “atheists” promote Islam.
Originally posted by @romans1009Well, you've certainly read what I have written about myself now, so bear it mind in future.
I never said you were a God hater. I said it was a general observation and told you not to take it personally when you did. I gave you a working definition of God hater masquerading as an atheist and if it didn’t apply to you, then obviously I wasn’t talking about you.
You seem desperate to personalize this conversation.
Originally posted by @fmfI already responded to the Hindu gods analogy. It doesn’t work.
I can assure you there is nothing "between" me and your god figure. If I don't believe in your god figure then there can be no 'between-ness', in exactly the same way as there is nothing "between" you and the Hindu gods if you do not believe they exist.
Originally posted by @romans1009It's 2.45 pm where I am.
Still trying to personalize this conversation? Why do you always do that? Actually, I’ve already answered that - I think you need to vent a lot of anger and frustrations and you use this forum to do it.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeAs I said earlier, my experience with online atheists (or God haters who describe themselves as atheists) goes well beyond this website.
I don't believe you.
Islam barely gets a mention in this forum, by theist or atheist.
Originally posted by @romans1009Of course it does. There cannot be some something "between" you and a deity or deities that you do not believe in. Simple as that.
I already responded to the Hindu gods analogy. It doesn’t work.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeThe two positions are obviously not the same.
When a theist says 'the existence of God does not depend on you believing in Him,' I think they forget that goes both ways. Believing in something doesn't make it factual.