‘Eternal suffering’ is nonsensical

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Unlike you I have a life. Outside of this forum. etc.

What do you know about divegeester's life beyond this forum? You sound like a teenager with a chip on his shoulder. You do realize that you have probably written more posts, and therefore spent more of your time on this forum, than he has in the last year or two?

Originally posted by @fmf
What do you know about divegeester's life beyond this forum? You sound like a teenager with a chip on his shoulder. You do realize that you have probably written more posts, and therefore spent more of your time on this forum, than he has in the last year or two?

It was said tongue in check. You need to develop a sense of humor, cranky old man. 😉

Originally posted by @dj2becker
It was said tongue in check. You need to develop a sense of humor, cranky old man. 😉

Good grief. It's not my sense of humour that's the problem. Do you hang out with people in their mid-teens? What's wrong with something like 'Hey lighten up, I've been busy!'? Instead, you toss out an adolescent 'get-a-life' type cliche.

You seem to flinch when posters call you out for acting like a surly teenager, but then when you're in quips-and-retorts mode, especially, it's exactly how you come across.

Originally posted by @fmf
There might be a supernatural being. But, I don't have any reason to believe you have any credible information about it, if it exists.

So there might be God but you don't trust me telling you about God. Okay.

There could be God apart from natural causality, just as long as I remain a deceiver.

How about Jesus Himself as presented in the Gospels? Does your rule play out that there may be God just as long as the untrustworthy deception of Jesus Christ is avoided?

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Divegeester, Don't ignore the seven questions about Luke 12:5. That's been maybe four "bumps" to YOU now.

I don't count Rajk999's answers to be your answers.

Just answer the first two questions now to start, please.

" But I will tell show you whom you should fear, fear Him who after killing, has authority to cast into Gehenna; yes, I tell you, fear this One. " (Luke 12:5)

1.) Is this a saying of Jesus about where fear should be placed ?

2.) Does the teaching teach that God can no nothing more to a man than other men can do ?

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Thankyou for your two replies.

On 1.) I have to agree. Jesus is telling men what to fear and for explicitly what reason.

On 2.) Of course the teaching says the fear of God is more important because His reach, His power, His authority to deal with any of us surpasses what human beings have.

Perhaps with JUST these two points we could not certainly establish that all such dealings beyond physical death must be eternal.

The symbolism of Gehenna is that of a garbage heap, a place of refuse, a kind of burning city dump, a place of trash.

You usually do not send things to the city dump to be repaired.
The words convey that God has a trash heap of disposal of what has become refuse, garbage in His eyes.

By answering 2.) as you did why don't you skip 3.) for now and just answer 4.) ?

4.) Does the teaching teach that physical death -
"killing" puts a man forever beyond the possibility of him being further harmed by God, should God desire to harm?

If you say NO [edited] as I think you will, then there is a criticism that you should drop. That is the criticism that God must "keep you ALIVE" in order to torment you.

If He doesn't have to keep you "non-killed" then there must be a suffering which can be suffered by men even though they were and remain physically killed.

Remember that the next time you want to play your card - "You eternal punishment Christians teach God keeps people alive to torture them forever."

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After you agree to the first two clear statements by Christ he then twists and manipulates it and sets you up for believing in his eternal torment doctrine.

There is what the Bible says clearly about destruction of the wicked
Then there is the doctrine of eternal torment preached by churches

In between those two, churches add such terms and expressions which have roots in the bible but with a twisted interpretation..
- lake of fire is a place of torment
- eternal judgment = eternal torment
- not being in the book of life = eternal torment

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I think he is saying that good and caring people, of whom I have known many, are considered 'trash' if they don't believe in God and are discarded and eternally tormented accordingly.