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Civis Americanus Sum

New York

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Originally posted by no1marauder
It's a reasonable hypothesis that the San Francisco Giants of 2012 would have won a series against the Japanese champions. It was also a reasonable hypothesis that the Soviets would win the Olympic Gold medal in hockey in 1980 or that the New England Patriots would finish their unbeaten season with a rousing victory in the Super Bowl.

Sometimes funny things happen when you actually play the games.
I certainly agree that it's a substantial possibility that the MLB champ could lose to another pro team somewhere in the world. But they don't actually play that series. so, until they do, I see nothing wrong with the champion of the world's premier league being called the "world" champion.

Even if the Japanese produced a better national team on average than the US (an unlikely possibility), the fact is that the MLB draws talent from the Japanese league, not the other way around. The MLB would still be the top league even if the Japanese national team were better than the US national team much the same way that the NHL is the world's top hockey league even when/if European teams may have the best national team.

Naturally Right

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Originally posted by whodey
Well I have to say, things are looking somewhat glum right now. Cueto is on the DL, Hiesey and Cozaar can't hit above 200, and Bruce leds the Majors in strike outs.
A game out of first, a 1/2 game out of the playoffs on April 26th.

Yup, the sky is falling.

Z

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Originally posted by sh76
The MLB would still be the top league even if the Japanese national team were better than the US national team much the same way that the NHL is the world's top hockey league even when/if European teams may have the best national team.
The NHL has it right. Their best team is rightfully called the Stanley Cup Champions. A glorious moniker without the ridiculous "World" business which is so unnecessary and, frankly, a bit classless. Americans misuse it because it's a top-shelf thing that comes with boasting that your no. 1 at everything. Institutionalized arrogance.

w

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The Reds were held to back to back 1 hitters. This has not happened in 100 years.

Ovey!!

Civis Americanus Sum

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Originally posted by Zamboner
The NHL has it right. Their best team is rightfully called the Stanley Cup Champions. A glorious moniker without the ridiculous "World" business which is so unnecessary and, frankly, a bit classless. Americans misuse it because it's a top-shelf thing that comes with boasting that your no. 1 at everything. Institutionalized arrogance.
Baseball doesn't have a recognizable name like the Stanley Cup. If it did, maybe they would use it.

I really think you're being a bit sensitive on this. What's the big deal? The MLB the top league in the world and it draws talent from all over the world. It's not like the American soccer league champ is calling itself world champion. This is baseball and it is undisputed that the MLB is the top baseball league. I really don't think it's meant to be an "institutionalized" boast.

In the World Cup in soccer and in the individual sports, presumably you have no problem with that phrase because the best athletes in the sport in the world are competing. Well, in the MLB, NFL and NBA (and NHL too, probably), the best performers in those sports in the world are competing. So, they happen to be playing for American (and Canadian) cities. I don't see the major difference.

If the NFL put a couple of teams in Europe (which there were some rumblings about a few years back), would that make it any better?

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Originally posted by sh76
Baseball doesn't have a recognizable name like the Stanley Cup. If it did, maybe they would use it.
Duh, how about World Series Champions?

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Originally posted by Zamboner
Duh, how about World Series Champions?
On a lighter note, the Jays are kinda sucking so far. What's up with that?

Z

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Originally posted by no1marauder
On a lighter note, the Jays are kinda sucking so far. What's up with that?
On a lighter note, eat me.

Seriously though, I'm bummed but not surprised. Me and my neighbour talked it through after the Dickey trade. Would we really be surprised if the Jays, after all their moves, ended up finishing the year .500? The answer was no. Can't help but be disappointed though. Simply put, the bats need to turn it around. Can't score enough runs if you don't get on base.

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Wth difference would that make? Claiming to be a world series champ is less arrogant than claiming to be a world champ?

You're just arguing semantics now.

Z

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Originally posted by tomtom232
Wth difference would that make? Claiming to be a world series champ is less arrogant than claiming to be a world champ?

You're just arguing semantics now.
A fair point. I had originally thought the World Series was named so originally because of a newspaper but apparently that is a myth.

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Originally posted by Zamboner
A fair point. I had originally thought the World Series was named so originally because of a newspaper but apparently that is a myth.
Go Braves!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Zamboner
Jays are gonna get 180 wins this season.
At 14-24 the rays are looking really good so far. 🙄 looks like they will get that 180 after all.

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The Reds are rolling right now. They've won four in a row and 11 of 13. Though they still trail the Cards by a game and a half, they have the third best record in baseball behind only St. Louis and Texas.

Today's amazing Joey Votto stat. Everybody knows that getting ahead in the count gives the pitcher a big advantage and the figures bear that out; in the NL this year after an 0-2 count batters hit a paltry .162 so they're essentially cooked. EXCEPT for Joey Votto. Even if you get ahead 0-2, he's hit 10-32 this year or .313. Fluke? Small sample size? Well last year he was 19 for 68 in the same situations, so is his last 100 ABs after being 0-2 he's hitting .290 or 128 points better than league average.

master of disaster

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Originally posted by no1marauder
The Reds are rolling right now. They've won four in a row and 11 of 13. Though they still trail the Cards by a game and a half, they have the third best record in baseball behind only St. Louis and Texas.

Today's amazing Joey Votto stat. Everybody knows that getting ahead in the count gives the pitcher a big advantage and the figures bear ...[text shortened]... is last 100 ABs after being 0-2 he's hitting .290 or 128 points better than league average.
You jinxed that one....

http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=330526117

Isolated Pawn

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Originally posted by no1marauder
The Reds are rolling right now. They've won four in a row and 11 of 13. Though they still trail the Cards by a game and a half, they have the third best record in baseball behind only St. Louis and Texas.

Today's amazing Joey Votto stat. Everybody knows that getting ahead in the count gives the pitcher a big advantage and the figures bear ...[text shortened]... is last 100 ABs after being 0-2 he's hitting .290 or 128 points better than league average.
impressive!