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Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromficsI did some more research. Here's what I found:
Explain to me why there is an option to offer a draw on move 6 if it is unethical and unsportsmanlike. Why do I even have the option to offer a draw? By your criteria, draws should not be allowed in tournaments.
Here's the bottom line. I played in a tournament. I offered two draws, and they were accepted.
YOU publicly ridiculed me, ques g any LEGAL move. Find someone else to publicly ridicule next.
I'm here to PLAY CHESS.
USCF Rule 14B6 Premature or Prearranged Draws
It is unethical and unsporting to agree to a draw before a serious contest has begun. The same is true of all agreements to prearrange game results. In case of clear violations of the moral principles of the game, penalties should be imposed at the director's discretion.
Originally posted by no1marauderCertainly that rule doesn't apply here at RHP, but maybe it should. I know the two words that jumped out at me from it were: unethical and unsporting.
I did some more research. Here's what I found:
USCF Rule 14B6 Premature or Prearranged Draws
It is unethical and unsporting to agree to a draw before a serious contest has begun. The same is true of all agreements to prearrange game results. In case of clear violations of the moral principles of the game, penalties should be imposed at the director's discretion.
Originally posted by no1marauderThis isn't the USCF.
I did some more research. Here's what I found:
USCF Rule 14B6 Premature or Prearranged Draws
It is unethical and unsporting to agree to a draw before a serious contest has begun. The same is true of all agreements to prearrange game results. In case of clear violations of the moral principles of the game, penalties should be imposed at the director's discretion.
That isn't stated in the rules HERE.
I didn't know that was a rule.
The draw was not prearranged.
I could go on and on, but it appears as though I have already been convicted in this kangaroo court.
I am already being judged by many players (unfairly --- but who cares).
Move on to your next case and play judge and God again.
Originally posted by dweezilShow me a rule where every game must be played out for a win.
Certainly that rule doesn't apply here at RHP, but maybe it should. I know the two words that jumped out at me from it were: [b]unethical and unsporting.[/b]
Nah, it's easier just to villianize me. Don't bother.
Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromficsHow could a supposedly experienced player not know that such conduct was "unethical and unsporting"?
This isn't the USCF.
That isn't stated in the rules HERE.
I didn't know that was a rule.
The draw was not prearranged.
I could go on and on, but it appears as though I have already been convicted in this kangaroo court.
I am already being judged by many players (unfairly --- but who cares).
Move on to your next case and play judge and God again.
You've been judged fairly by those who, like most chess players, consider your conduct to be in violation of the moral principles of the game.
Originally posted by no1marauderI haven't played in a USCF tournament in over 8 years, and I never was a tournament director.
How could a supposedly experienced player not know that such conduct was "unethical and unsporting"?
You've been judged fairly by those who, like most chess players, consider your conduct to be in violation of the moral principles of the game.
I didn't realize draws were unethical.
The question is why am I being judged at all.
Because you decided ???
I sent the following Site Feedback to the Site Admins:
http://www.timeforchess.com/gameanalysis/boardhistory.php?gameid=5827102
http://www.timeforchess.com/gameanalysis/boardhistory.php?gameid=5827062
It is discussed in this thread starting at http://www.timeforchess.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=103409&page=3 that "It is unethical and unsporting to agree to a draw before a serious contest has begun." Certainly this was an attempt by two fairly high rated players to make their path to the 2nd round of the 2009 Championship easier by non-chess means. I call it to your attention to decide what, if any, sanction is warranted.
Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromficsYou are being disingenuous to the point of dishonesty.
I haven't played in a USCF tournament in over 8 years, and I never was a tournament director.
I didn't realize draws were unethical.
The question is why am I being judged at all.
Because you decided ???
Draws are not unethical.
Agreeing to a draw before a serious contest has begun is unethical.
Another player pointed out this unsporting behavior. I've given my opinion and alerted the Site Admins. It's up to them to decide what action, if any, is warranted.
Originally posted by no1marauderI alerted them when I first read your post.
You are being disingenuous to the point of dishonesty.
Draws are not unethical.
Agreeing to a draw before a serious contest has begun is unethical.
Another player pointed out this unsporting behavior. I've given my opinion and alerted the Site Admins. It's up to them to decide what action, if any, is warranted.
Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromficsWah Wah
I alerted them when I first read your post.
You didn't play for a win.
Wah Wah
That's what it all comes down to.
afx is mad because I didn't lose points.
He brings it to a public forum. (unethical???)
You take it upon yourself to have others ban me.
And I am the one in the wrong.
Congratulations
You just cost the site another subscriber.
This isn't about a tournament result.
It's about the ability for two people to build up a whole case against someone over nothing. I get publicly ridiculed. I get thought badly of. And for what??? Because afx cries, and you play God.
I have also written the site to close my account.
Being upset and abused for doing something that I don't think is wrong seems IMMORAL and UNETHICAL to me.
Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromficsThere is no God, but there is the Law of Karma i.e. the effects of all deeds actively create past, present, and future experiences, thus making one responsible for one's own life, and the pain and joy it brings to him/her and others.
Wah Wah
You didn't play for a win.
Wah Wah
That's what it all comes down to.
afx is mad because I didn't lose points.
He brings it to a public forum. (unethical???)
You take it upon yourself to have others ban me.
And I am the one in the wrong.
Congratulations
You just cost the site another subscriber.
This isn't ab ...[text shortened]... abused for doing something that I don't think is wrong seems IMMORAL and UNETHICAL to me.
I suggest you spend some time meditating on that.
Originally posted by no1marauderpenalties should be imposed at the director's discretion.
I did some more research. Here's what I found:
USCF Rule 14B6 Premature or Prearranged Draws
It is unethical and unsporting to agree to a draw before a serious contest has begun. The same is true of all agreements to prearrange game results. In case of clear violations of the moral principles of the game, penalties should be imposed at the director's discretion.
Are you the director?
Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromficsPersonally, I think this has been taken too far. Agreeing to a 2-draw combo may be a bit disappointing to other players in the group, but is not a serious violation of anything. It shouldn't have escalated to the level of personal attacks.
Wah Wah
You didn't play for a win.
Wah Wah
That's what it all comes down to.
afx is mad because I didn't lose points.
He brings it to a public forum. (unethical???)
You take it upon yourself to have others ban me.
And I am the one in the wrong.
Congratulations
You just cost the site another subscriber.
This isn't ab ...[text shortened]... abused for doing something that I don't think is wrong seems IMMORAL and UNETHICAL to me.
I had numerous cases when players in my group giving up in better or equal positions to my direct competitors thus costing me a group win. Was I supposed to complain to the world about it?