Originally posted by Aiko And then this guy: User 261696, winning multiple 0-1250 and 0-1300 tournaments while being 400 to 500 points higher rated at this moment...
Yes, it's best not to ever improve your game because after the fact people will "shame you". While it's probable that this guy was better than that at the time, how can you know now. Get over it.
Originally posted by Squelchbelch Explain this!
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Hmmm. DF joins the site, wins a few games. Gets a rating in between 1450 and 1500, joins the tournament. The tournament is 7/14 so while that first round takes years to complete his rating gets up to it's stable range 1950+. It's not rocket science.
Originally posted by zebano Yes, it's best not to ever improve your game because after the fact people will "shame you". While it's probable that this guy was better than that at the time, how can you know now. Get over it.
Entering as a former 1400+ player even before reaching 1700?
And such an sudden increase? I am not buying it. The level must have been in there.
Originally posted by zebano Methinks you don't understand how the system works at all. Due to the tournament entry rating is set up, they would have to throw a bunch of games to lower their rating, then keep it low for 100 days!! Now if people are doing this, that's just pathetic, but if I resigned 30 games right now, I still would not be eligible to play in anything below a 1659 level.
Edit to make my tournament entry rating highest rating -100.
I do understand the system and regrettably there are a few pathetic players out there who disappear for months at a time, come back with a low rating and subsequently win a pile of games only to repeat the cycle again and again.
Originally posted by zebano Hmmm. DF joins the site, wins a few games. Gets a rating in between 1450 and 1500, joins the tournament. The tournament is 7/14 so while that first round takes years to complete his rating gets up to it's stable range 1950+. It's not rocket science.
The tourney only started in July 2006 a month after DF joined the site. As a member of a chess club I am quite certain he had a fair idea his playing level was well above the tourney limits and therefore was a cheap tourney win.
Originally posted by Aiko And then this guy: User 261696, winning multiple 0-1250 and 0-1300 tournaments while being 400 to 500 points higher rated at this moment...
But this player only joined in June 2006 and until January 2007 was around the 1450 mark.
It is only recenlty that their rating has soared to 1760 and had now levelled off at around 1700.
Originally posted by davejacks Maybe there are some people who do do that in order to get a cheap tournament win and I agree that is unfair on the other players but there are also players (like me) who only joined the site just before the tournament started and have no idea what their true rating is and how they compare with other players on the site. They just see a tournament and think OK I'll have a go. Then they start winning games and their rating rises.
As Smookie said this thread is not about players who's rating is on the up like yourself.
However say you were to disappear for 3-4 months and timeout a bunch of games dropping your rating to 1150.
Would you consider it fair to join an 1100-1150 rated tourney when you came back knowing your real ablity is in the 1750/1800 range?
Originally posted by zebano Yes, it's best not to ever improve your game because after the fact people will "shame you". While it's probable that this guy was better than that at the time, how can you know now. Get over it.
No. There is a point about people being angyr about high rated players in a second round. But there still are sandbaggers and the first user in the thread deserves the label tghoroughly. He had a rating of 1600. There were unrated tournaments he could have joined. This is not about improving.
PLUS There are players you just resign their games (without affecting their rating) when they realize that they are far superior.
One could certainly do away with banded tournaments to stop complaints, but then alot of players would miss an incentive to pay for the site.
Originally posted by adramforall But this player only joined in June 2006 and until January 2007 was around the 1450 mark.
It is only recenlty that their rating has soared to 1760 and had now levelled off at around 1700.
I have been in those banded tournaments where I noticed this person having a close to 1500 rating at the start of a round, if I recall it correctly. At least it was high enought to feel bothered to pm him about it, and gentlemanlike asked to give up the tournament.
But surely you are overlooking at least the fact that there are multiple rounds in most tournaments. A resign in the beginning has no effect on the rating. The bother not to bail out of the tournament cannot be in this area in case of a next round, when the rating has increased tremendously.
I think that if someone has left the site and returned with a much lower rating then I imagine it can be difficult to find opponents prepared to put up with the false rating. The problem is that it's possible to have hundreds of in progress games and if they all get timed out that implies a massive rating hit. Entering unbanded tournaments would be better (but annoying for the other players who'll lose points/rewards for it), so I feel that it would be reasonable for someone to enter a banded tournament to regain points provided they resign all the games as white (which doesn't affect ratings for the first 3 moves) to give the others in the first round a fair shot at it. The people who we don't want in the tournament are people who are after undeserved tournament wins.
If someone's been away for a while it makes some sense to set them up as provisionally rated players again, which would avoid this trouble as their rating would fix itself quicker.
19 Apr '07 18:22
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