Originally posted by utherpendragonSince when did putting forward ideas to improve the system make us agitators?
The same half a dozen or so agitators keep springing up in various forums being critical of the way this site is run.
Their is Approx. [b]200,000 registered members, but 6 ( 0.003% ) or so of them want to flood these forums with their negativity.
Its getting real old. It would be nice to see you all just get banned and we can get ont ...[text shortened]... as you should be, instead of micromanaging every clan and every other player on this fine site.[/b]
What is wrong with wanting the system changed to prevent the abuses that have been neglected for so long?
It seems it is only abuse when others do it not yourselves. When a few of us showed just how easy it was to manipulate the system, foul play was cried loudly. However what we did was show how easily the system could be and is abused. We just made it more obvious by extremely quick finishes rather than the dodgy practices used elsewhere.
How comes us agitators are always lambasted by the same 3 or 4 users, most of who are active participants in the clan abuses we seek to modify?
Maybe the abusers are the ones who should be banned.
Originally posted by adramforallNobody is abusing anything except you guys, and you should of been baned for that stunt you pulled IMO.
Since when did putting forward ideas to improve the system make us agitators?
What is wrong with wanting the system changed to prevent the abuses that have been neglected for so long?
It seems it is only abuse when others do it not yourselves. When a few of us showed just how easy it was to manipulate the system, foul play was cried loudly. H ...[text shortened]... ts in the clan abuses we seek to modify?
Maybe the abusers are the ones who should be banned.
So far from you we got, 1) need to change the clan challenge system (the way points are awarded and the way clans challenge each other) because "its not fair". 2) club inner ranking system needs to be changed because "its not fair". 3) the entire rating system needs to be changed because "its not fair". What am I missing adramforall ? I know there is more.
Go ahead and list all of your gripes against RHP AGAIN. Then we can petition to vote on them AGAIN. When the results come in and you are dissatisfied AGAIN we can start the whole process over. We can do it every few months if you like.🙄
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Originally posted by utherpendragonBanned for pulling a stunt! You're kidding right? The only stunt being pulled here is by clans like yours who will do anything to stay top of the league. Your clan leader has admitted it, so don't try and wriggle out of it by blaming others, who at the end of the day just want clan games to be fair, not manipulated. You make me laugh, that was a joke right?
Nobody is abusing anything except you guys, and you should of been baned for that stunt you pulled IMO.
I see you are in several clans, although I've never quite seen the point in that. However, Spinning stars have always played it fair, so not all the clans you are in are guilty. And I am sure the one you lead would never do such a thing. 😉
Originally posted by GoggyEvery clan I am involved with is straight up or I wouldnt be involved w/them.
Banned for pulling a stunt! You're kidding right? The only stunt being pulled here is by clans like yours who will do anything to stay top of the league. Your clan leader has admitted it, so don't try and wriggle out of it by blaming others, who at the end of the day just want clan games to be fair, not manipulated. You make me laugh, that was a joke right?
...[text shortened]... e clans you are in are guilty. And I am sure the one you lead would never do such a thing. 😉
Metallica is on top of the league because its players have committed to carrying large game loads before they were accepted in. More so than any other group of players on the site w/maybe the exception of Amsterdam.
Its pretty simple,Metallicas players win the majority of their games and play a lot of games for that clan. You do the math. Its not cheating.
Most clans here are made up of pretty good chess players. But like I said, they are not all committed to a large clan game load like most of Metallicas players are. Since I have played for them, the past two leaders spend a large amount of time managing the clan on a daily basis. This is a important factor too.
Originally posted by utherpendragonI do accept that Metallica have good players,very good in fact, I also accept they play a lot of games and that they deserve to be top of the table on gross figures, but I do object to them being top on net.
Every clan I am involved with is straight up or I wouldnt be involved w/them.
Metallica is on top of the league because its players have committed to carrying large game loads before they were accepted in. More so than any other group of players on the site w/maybe the exception of Amsterdam.
Its pretty simple,Metallicas players win the majori ...[text shortened]... spend a large amount of time managing the clan on a daily basis. This is a important factor too.
It is simply because they have had so many games with an unfair advantage. You look at some of the challenges they have won, some are grossly in their favour, so much so that the challenge was a forgone conclusion. Also, how can they win so many? The law of averages say that if they keep winning their rating goes up and then they have to play challenges that are less in their favour, but it just does not happen. They keep winning, which would not happen if the challenges were fair.
The system is not a level playing field and until admin do something about it, it will continue to be so. I cannot understand anyone looking at a large proportion of the challenges and saying they have been fair. Some have been yes, because some clan leaders do their job properly and make sure they don't get taken to the cleaners, but a others are not.
I wish you would just admit that the only reason the two top clans are where they are is because they have manipulated challenges in their favour. Others have too, but those two have done it blatantly. A blind man can see it. Why can't you?
Originally posted by Goggy
I do accept that Metallica have good players,very good in fact, I also accept they play a lot of games and that they deserve to be top of the table on gross figures, but I do object to them being top on net.
It is simply because they have had so many games with an unfair advantage. You look at some of the challenges they have won, some are grossly in their ...[text shortened]... Others have too, but those two have done it blatantly. A blind man can see it. Why can't you?
I wish you would just admit that the only reason the two top clans are where they are is because they have manipulated challenges in their favour. Others have too, but those two have done it blatantly. A blind man can see it. Why can't you?
Metallicas win percentage (2010) for all these "lopsided manipulated challenges" you speak of is 68%. If someone is "manipulating" they are not very good at it. Metallica should be at a 80- 90% percentage if they were doing what you are claiming they are doing. There are plenty of clans w/ a much higher winning percentage but dont play the large volume of games Metallica plays therefore their Net and gross will be much lower.
Based on this year 2010, If next year,a full clan can complete around 1200 challenges with a 68% plus win percentage they will be on top of page one.
Its pretty simple. Its not cheating. You got a couple of clan leaders who devote a large amount of time and energy to their clan coupled with a Lot of players who are committed to large game loads for that clan. And those players win more often then lose.
So, No. I disagree w/your assumption that "a blind man can see" the top two clans are cheating. Its false.
Originally posted by utherpendragonSo tell me again why, when Metallica is such a straight up clan it was accepting 100's of simultaneous challenges from Clan India against yourself, Hannilein007 etc, the player being rated 300+ point lower rated than yourself and 500+ lower rated against Hannilein007?
Every clan I am involved with is straight up or I wouldnt be involved w/them.
Tell me again why when Metallica was slated in the clan forms for doing this that the challenges ceased?
Tell me again why Metallica is happy to issue so many lopsided challenges.
Tell me again how the straight up clan has improved out of sight this year.
To date
Won 3004 Lost 1275 Drawn 837 (Winning 58.725% of challenges)
But For 2010 so far
Won 790 Lost 178 Drawn 186 (Winning 68.46% of challenges)
and when we exclude 2010 challenges from the total figure then at 2009 the record was
Won 2214 Lost 1097 Drawn 651 (Winning 55.88% of challenges)
So somehow, Metallica by being straight up, have managed to increase their winning % for 2010 by over 23% over what they had achieved before.
Sorry, I forgot - they are a straight up clan 🙄
Originally posted by utherpendragonBanned, why for showing just how easily the system can be manipulated?
Nobody is abusing anything except you guys, and you should of been baned for that stunt you pulled IMO.
So far from you we got, 1) need to change the clan challenge system (the way points are awarded and the way clans challenge each other) because "its not fair". 2) club inner ranking system needs to be changed because "its not fair". 3) the entir ...[text shortened]... ed AGAIN we can start the whole process over. We can do it every few months if you like.🙄
If we had decided to set up 10,000 challenges, and then after making a couple of moves, one player decided to leave the site and timed out in all the games would it have been different?
You moan about us complaining and yet your clan do exactly the same.
dooser2004 from Amsterdam a sandbagger its terrible
EveRyDay from IVV why do you match him with people (at his rating at the time) when you know he is a 2000+ player
So rather than moaning, lets get a decent system in place that prevents lopsided challenges, sandbaggers, clans having more than 20 members at a time etc, etc.
It can only improve things for the site.
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Originally posted by adramforallDont forget the witch hunt for subs whose subscription have lapsed and over hauling the player rankings system within clubs.
Banned, why for showing just how easily the system can be manipulated?
If we had decided to set up 10,000 challenges, and then after making a couple of moves, one player decided to leave the site and timed out in all the games would it have been different?
You moan about us complaining and yet your clan do exactly the same.
dooser2004 from Amst ...[text shortened]... lans having more than 20 members at a time etc, etc.
It can only improve things for the site.
Originally posted by GoggyThis is one of adramforall goals for "cleaning up" this web site. He has posted on this several times recently. I am just reminding him. Sometimes you got to keep self imposed zealots on track. They tend to wander a bit from one rightious cause to the next.
Not quite sure what you are getting at here, have I missed something?
Originally posted by utherpendragonWhy is it a witch hunt, I pay my dues to be a clan member so should others.
Dont forget the witch hunt for subs whose subscription have lapsed and over hauling the player rankings system within clubs.
Why are you against the clan player rankings idea? Is it because it would not allow so many biased challenges?