@Michael-Martin saidWhat if the new rules had a lower fixed limit on how many challenges could be played in a given year? (Agreed amongst Clan leaders) - This would take some of the urgency and speed out of games and increase the time studying positions and developing our play, as the shift would be made from quantity to quality with the need to win the individual challenge more important than ever. - There would be no point racing through challenges, due to the yearly limit, and players might be more inclined to play through all of their games, viewing none of them as unimportant.
As Fred said, if they change the rules at the end of the year, for everyone, we will still find a way to win. Within the rules.
All my best,
Michael
Or do you not think you could win under those rules?
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidGhost,
What if the new rules had a lower fixed limit on how many challenges could be played in a given year? (Agreed amongst Clan leaders) - This would take some of the urgency and speed out of games and increase the time studying positions and developing our play, as the shift would be made from quantity to quality with the need to win the individual challenge more importan ...[text shortened]... mes, viewing none of them as unimportant.
Or do you not think you could win under those rules?
I do not believe you will ever see that rule implemented my friend. If a clan can only play so many challenges, why bother playing in a clan at all. You can always have a vote on it, and if a set number is made, I will be among the first to leave the clan challenges. I see no desire in playing where you are limited to the amount of challenges. I also personally think that we don't need the 3 challenges per clan at this time as it now stands, it was once unlimited. Clan Leaders should work hard to fill their Clan to 20 players of varying rating Strengths to have a good strong Clan.
I am a Greeter and have played many players who are seasoned players who are just new to the Site and have been playing for years, and some of them are even better than you are Ghost, which is a compliment just so you don't take it the wrong way. These people could be playing in clans should they decide to join. It is up the Clan leader and anyone in that particular clan to recruit them.
The Clan You are in, could become a contender every year if Your Clan leader so desired. If you just want to have fun games then do so. Don't try to make it so a clan can only play so many games a year. I for one would be leaving the Clans, not that I would be missed. 🙂
Any Clan Vote should be done my ALL CLAN MEMBERS not just the CLAN LEADERS. The clan players are the ones who play the most games in the majority of cases in all clans. The CLAN LEADERS have Challenges to make up and studying players, so don't have the time for a lot of games, those few who can play a lot of games, already know the Players Strengths and weakness's.
-VR
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidLOL Yeah you are most likely right. We could never win, just like we did not win our second under the new rules once again. We already have a max of 3 challenges what would you have? One challenge a year? It would make it one challenge in four to six months? Never happen. There is no fun in that. Don't go by me, ask the other leaders, Ask Fred, he knows more about this site and everything to do with it plus all the leaders, he would have an answer for every option you come up with.
What if the new rules had a lower fixed limit on how many challenges could be played in a given year? (Agreed amongst Clan leaders) - This would take some of the urgency and speed out of games and increase the time studying positions and developing our play, as the shift would be made from quantity to quality with the need to win the individual challenge more importan ...[text shortened]... mes, viewing none of them as unimportant.
Or do you not think you could win under those rules?
As for me, change all the rules you like at the end of the year and make it for everyone and we will do just fine.
This is chess, it's fun, I enjoy it and helps me get my mind off personal issues. I don't really care what rules they come up with. I will always enjoy the game.
To be honest, what ever Fred agrees with or does not agree with and the same with Very Rusty, those are the guys I would follow. They know more than anyone to do with this site. Except Russ.
Thanks for the jab at me. I thought you had more class than that.
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@Michael-Martin saidThis is where your post should have ended. As far as I'm concerned the topic had already died with Rusty and I agreeing to disagree and move on.
Well then we agree. It's okay to be different.
We won't change opinions here, it's like the debates forum. Time to shake hand and say enjoy 2025.
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@Wycombe-Al saidBlame Stees 😂
after so many years running a clan i have obviously not learned the tricks of the trade, lost more challenges for this year already than any other clan🤣
@A-Unique-Nickname saidI think reports of Rusty's death sir are greatly exaggerated.
As far as I'm concerned the topic had already died with Rusty and I agreeing to disagree and move on.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidGhost,
I think reports of Rusty's death sir are greatly exaggerated.
I am sure that day will come my friend, but until then I will always say what is on my mind, and do my best to put it in a way that is not insulting as I have been known to be in the past, getting older and softer in my old age! 🙂
-VR
@Very-Rusty saidLife as a ghost isn't too bad sir. (Chain rattling is optional).
Ghost,
I am sure that day will come my friend, but until then I will always say what is on my mind, and do my best to put it in a way that is not insulting as I have been known to be in the past, getting older and softer in my old age! 🙂
-VR
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidI think we need to not be too quick to dismiss new ideas out of hand.
What if the new rules had a lower fixed limit on how many challenges could be played in a given year? (Agreed amongst Clan leaders) - This would take some of the urgency and speed out of games and increase the time studying positions and developing our play, as the shift would be made from quantity to quality with the need to win the individual challenge more importan ...[text shortened]... mes, viewing none of them as unimportant.
Or do you not think you could win under those rules?
What if the new rules had a lower fixed limit on how many challenges could be played in a given year? It's an excellent question. I am not saying I think we should do that - I am saying it's an excellent question.
What if?
The top four clans last year played an average of 360 challenges and 2200 games.
What if we said that seems about right - 360 challenges and 2200 games is a season.
There are many posts lamenting how the clan system is dying and there used to be so many more clans. How do we grow the system? Not by doing what we are doing today. That is clearly great for a few clans - but the rest have dropped away.
If people really want to grow the clan system and not just talk about it - let's take all new ideas seriously and talk about them as a group - pros and cons.
@Bish saidYes, If anything we want to be playing more Challenges not less. Imagine if all the clans had played the amount the top 4 did???
I think we need to not be too quick to dismiss new ideas out of hand.
What if the new rules had a lower fixed limit on how many challenges could be played in a given year? It's an excellent question. I am not saying I think we should do that - I am saying it's an excellent question.
What if?
The top four clans last year played an average of 360 challenges and 2200 g ...[text shortened]... t talk about it - let's take all new ideas seriously and talk about them as a group - pros and cons.
I am of the opinion more Clan Challenges should be played not less. If people want to play less than go ahead and have fun, after all that is what it is all about. I don't think having less Clan challenges is going to improve anything. It may just have the opposite effect.
-VR
@Very-Rusty saidYes - for you and your clan. I get that. However, what's best for the "clan system".
Yes, If anything we want to be playing more Challenges not less. Imagine if all the clans had played the amount the top 4 did???
I am of the opinion more Clan Challenges should be played not less. If people want to play less than go ahead and have fun, after all that is what it is all about. I don't think having less Clan challenges is going to improve anything. It may just have the opposite effect.
-VR
VR, like it or not you are a bit of a leader in this small slice of the world.
As a leader - what do you think would be best for the clan system.
Let's think outside the box a bit. Saying the best idea is for everyone to be more like your clan is one idea - there have to be others.
@Bish saidBish,
Yes - for you and your clan. I get that. However, what's best for the "clan system".
VR, like it or not you are a bit of a leader in this small slice of the world.
As a leader - what do you think would be best for the clan system.
Let's think outside the box a bit. Saying the best idea is for everyone to be more like your clan is one idea - there have to be others.
I am just another player like yourself only admittedly not as good. I don't see myself as a leader. Just been around a lot of years is all.
I think every clan should have close to 20 players at least between 10-15 even is good in my opinion for what it is worth.
I don't think having less challenges per year would 'NOT' help the Clan System, which I do keep in mind. If not we don't have a Clan Challenge at all. I appreciate all the Clan Leaders whether I agree with them or not on some things. They have a very difficult job.
Some just want to play fun games with their friends against other clans, some such as Metallica, IVV, Breaking Bad and other clans take it more seriously. Nothing wrong with either way of doing it. All I was saying is make sure you have people in the Clan who think the same way.
Discussion is always better than arguing which gets no where and there are no
winners. Working and talking about things together will help, I am all for any improvement to the Clan System, but that doesn't include playing less challenges which I think would hurt the Clan Challenges System as we could have many more clans, the Rules changed Clans disappeared. We have to find something where everyone is happy or at least Majority are happy.
How many leaders are content with only being able to play 1 Clan 3 Challenges at a time? It was once unlimited, The leader of Metallica has already been through all that. I agree with all of his statement he made in this Clan Forum. He is actually a leader on this site!!!
I believe in compromise and making the Clan Challenges more desirable for ALL.
-VR
@Very-Rusty saidWell said my friend. We have a year - let's see what everyone else thinks.
Bish,
I am just another player like yourself only admittedly not as good. I don't see myself as a leader. Just been around a lot of years is all.
I think every clan should have close to 20 players at least between 10-15 even is good in my opinion for what it is worth.
I don't think having less challenges per year would help the Clan System, which I do keep ...[text shortened]... Clan Forum.
I believe in compromise and making the Clan Challenges more desirable for ALL.
-VR
John
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidIf you want to take that tack, then I think you place even harsher limits like, all clans must play ALL clans. If you don't play each clan 3 times, you get no more challenges beyond that. We have too many duckers in here as it is. They refuse to play because they have a hard on against another team or clan leader, of because they are afraid to match. Have you ever played in an OTB tournament and been able to say, I will play all of these people but not those people. It doesn't happen. Granted, this is not OTB and it is not singles play, but team play., but I think you catch my drift.
What if the new rules had a lower fixed limit on how many challenges could be played in a given year? (Agreed amongst Clan leaders) - This would take some of the urgency and speed out of games and increase the time studying positions and developing our play, as the shift would be made from quantity to quality with the need to win the individual challenge more importan ...[text shortened]... mes, viewing none of them as unimportant.
Or do you not think you could win under those rules?
Now the problem becomes, how can you match all clans against each other due to the ratings restrictions. So we agree the ratings are trash and toss them. No, they won't do that, even though they are worthless. That would require clan leaders to research and do work to know to set matches. Can't be bothered....much easier to gripe about the present system.
So the next logical step is to split the already depleted clan segment into two segments...those playing competitively and those playing for grins and giggles. Nope that won't work either, will it? How about Large clans and small clans (say clans with 6 members or less). Then you toss away the David vs Goliath syndrome. But, if clans play in the competitive arena, they must play all clans in true round robin fashion.
You can bastardize this system any way you want to and you will not solve the problem in a way that will satisfy all. Some just hang around to gripe or to play in the forums and wield their thumbs.
But if you want to keep this forum alive and you insist on the stupid thumbs up and thumbs down crap, then lets get those thumbs identified to the the issuer of the thumb. Then you will see who the real culprits are behind the destruction of the clan system.
I have been dealing with these topics for 17 years now. If you could legitimize the rating system where it can't be manipulated, you solve a huge piece of the problem. Russ has already said point blank he is unwilling to invest the time and resources to do this because it costs too much. With no viable means of comparing players for matches, many don't try. Others come up with their own combinations of how to determine what rating is legitimate. This makes it increasingly more difficult to get clan leaders to agree on challenges because of different philosophical stances. Couple that with the back biting and the flat out refusal to play by some, I think the end of clan play altogether is closer than a fix to the system. This could be by design, I don't know. This is the one feature that this site has that no other does. It is the only reason that I even stay here. The second it dies, I am gone.
Now, there is an interesting thought for the haters out there. Kill the game, get rid of the villain, but then there is nothing left to gripe about. A conundrum indeed!!