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  1. Zugzwang
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    01 Nov '17 21:071 edit
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    So very very silly.

    I'm rather embarrassed to be seen speaking to you.
    With his characteristic dishonesty, Ghost of a Duke evades all my questions, some of
    which involve his apparent (racist) stereotyping of two black women as looking exactly alike.

    If the arrogant lazy Ghost of a Duke had even bothered to read the first viewer's comments of his cited video,
    then he could have noticed some people pointing out that it's *not* of the real Florence Mills.

    As I expected, Ghost of a Duke cannot bring himself to admit cleanly his ignorant errors.
    I already have pointed out in several earlier threads in other forums that Ghost of a Duke's morally reprehensible.
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    02 Nov '17 08:14
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    With his characteristic dishonesty, Ghost of a Duke evades all my questions, some of
    which involve his apparent (racist) stereotyping of two black women as looking exactly alike.

    If the arrogant lazy Ghost of a Duke had even bothered to read the first viewer's comments of his cited video,
    then he could have noticed some people pointing out that it' ...[text shortened]... ted out in several earlier threads in other forums that Ghost of a Duke's morally reprehensible.
    I saw no comments. I merely viewed a video clip of a woman I have never heard of before while the narrator spoke about Florence Mills. It was perfectly reasonable of me to assume the woman I saw singing and dancing was the woman the narrator was speaking about. To play the racist card is a stretch, even for you.

    As I say, very embarrassing.
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    02 Nov '17 17:38
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    "The insecure Sonhouse keeps showing his unwillingness to *admit cleanly* even his obvious factual errors."
    --Duchess64

    "No, not gullible, just didn't read it close enough. You really love the perjorative."
    --Sonhouse

    Sonhouse denied that he's gullible. I would say that it shows extreme gullibility for Sonhouse
    to believe that he could refute ...[text shortened]... historical interest but also could be worth significant money. There's no reason to conceal it.
    I wasn't thinking of someone hiding such a treasure, I was referring to the fact that technology took giant leaps in the 1920's and 1930's making such recording equipment, movie camera's, sound recorders and such much more generally available and therefore more likely that a true star like Mills would have been recorded. Of course, you just took that as another aspect of my true lying hypocritical craven gullible idiotic mind.

    And such recordings have gotten lost, buried in some archive somewhere and only turning up a hundred years later to the delight of some archivist.

    It seems no matter what I say to you it will never be enough to be thought worthy. My guess is the two women whom I really admire, Nina Simone and Buffy Sainte-Marie, you would not listen to BECAUSE I am the one posting it. If one of your buddies posted it, you would have listened immediately. If you actually listened to it, I apologize and would like to know what you thought of those two. Had you ever heard of Nina Simone? My guess is you have, but probably not Buffy Sainte-Marie. Buffy was a powerful figure in my early 20's, she hit me in the gut with those songs and others like 'Now that the buffalo is gone'.
  4. Zugzwang
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    02 Nov '17 19:03
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    I saw no comments. I merely viewed a video clip of a woman I have never heard of before while the narrator spoke about Florence Mills. It was perfectly reasonable of me to assume the woman I saw singing and dancing was the woman the narrator was speaking about. To play the racist card is a stretch, even for you.

    As I say, very embarrassing.
    The extremely arrogant Ghost of a Duke cannot bring himself to admit cleanly his ignorant errors.

    "I saw no comments." [to his cited video]
    --Ghost of a Duke

    Ghost of a Duke shows his willful blindness.

    Here are the first viewer comments (which I easily cut and pasted) to this video:
    mrstep2me 2 years ago:
    "Why is there footage of Nina Mae McKinney performing in this?"

    Mariah Lesah2 years ago:
    "There is no actual footage recorded of her [Florence Mills] dancing or singing during a show."

    "It was perfectly reasonable of me to assume the woman ..."
    --Ghost of a Duke

    Because any 'singing and dancing' black woman's supposed to look exactly like Florence Mills?

    In my original post, I linked to this article, which has a photo of Florence Mills.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Mills

    Does Ghost of a Duke believe that the woman in this photo looks exactly like the woman in his video?
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    02 Nov '17 19:16
    Originally posted by @sonhouse
    I wasn't thinking of someone hiding such a treasure, I was referring to the fact that technology took giant leaps in the 1920's and 1930's making such recording equipment, movie camera's, sound recorders and such much more generally available and therefore more likely that a true star like Mills would have been recorded. Of course, you just took that as an ...[text shortened]... rly 20's, she hit me in the gut with those songs and others like 'Now that the buffalo is gone'.
    Fred Astaire's first dancing partner (before the more famous--and overrated--Ginger Rogers)
    was his sister Adele. At that time, many critics regarded Adele as more talented than Fred.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adele_Astaire

    "Adele Astaire retired from the stage to marry Lord Charles Cavendish."

    "There is no known film record of Adele performing (aside from a clip lasting a few seconds),
    but she made eight audio recordings,"

    After she retired from performing, Adele Astaire reportedly preferred that Fred's next partner
    be Jessie Matthews (whom Fred also liked)--an actress, good singer, and great dancer
    (better than Ginger Rogers), but she was unable to get released from her contract in the UK.
    A film could be made about Jessie Matthews's tragic life (rising from poverty to stardom,
    abused by men, falling into mental illness, dying of cancer, buried in a then unmarked grave).
    Near the end of her life, Jessie Matthews said that she would have gladly exchanged all
    her fame for an ordinary happy life as a woman deeply loved by her husband and children.
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    02 Nov '17 19:16
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    The extremely arrogant Ghost of a Duke cannot bring himself to admit cleanly his ignorant errors.

    "I saw no comments." [to his cited video]
    --Ghost of a Duke

    Ghost of a Duke shows his willful blindness.

    Here are the first viewer comments (which I easily cut and pasted) to this video:
    mrstep2me 2 years ago:
    "Why is there footage of Nina Mae Mc ...[text shortened]... Ghost of a Duke believe that the woman in this photo looks exactly like the woman in his video?
    I'm assuming those comments were below the video clip? - As I didn't scroll down there was of course no way i could be swayed by them. Again, my search was cursory.

    I also did not view any photographs of Florence Mills and as a consequence would have no way of knowing the moving images were not of her. Indeed, it was much more reasonable to assume the images were her, seeing as the narrator was speaking over the clip about Florence Mills.

    You have dug yourself in to a silly hole here. All you had to do in response to my initial post was to say "no, that isn't her.' - Bur of course your own know it all arrogance would not permit that. Far better to respond as though your knowledge was under attack.

    And one final point. If any other poster had said about any other historical character or performer that no footage of them existed, I similarly, out of curiosity, would have gone looking to see If I could find something. The fact you took this personally says nothing about me and everything about you.
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    02 Nov '17 19:261 edit
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    I'm assuming those comments were below the video clip? - As I didn't scroll down there was of course no way i could be swayed by them. Again, my search was cursory.

    I also did not view any photographs of Florence Mills and as a consequence would have no way of knowing the moving images were not of her. Indeed, it was much more reasonable to assum ...[text shortened]... ind something. The fact you took this personally says nothing about me and everything about you.
    The extremely arrogant Ghost of a Duke cannot bring himself to admit cleanly his ignorant errors.
    The sneering Ghost of a Duke also shows his extreme gullibility in trusting YouTube,
    which has no editorial control.

    "If any other poster had said about any other historical character or performer that no footage of them existed,"
    --Ghost of a Duke

    "Again, my search was cursory."
    --Ghost of a Duke

    On the basis of his admitted 'cursory search', Ghost of a Duke jumped to the conclusion that I must be wrong.

    "Is this NOT her [Florence Mills] singing and dancing?"
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgrpViU5L_k
    --Ghost of a Duke

    *If* Ghost of a Duke had asked "Is this her singing and dancing?"--a neutral question--I would have written 'No'.
    Instead, his words "Is this NOT her..." imply that Ghost of a Duke believed that he was watching the
    real Florence Mills and therefore that I must be obviously wrong about such a basic matter of fact.
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    02 Nov '17 19:47
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    The extremely arrogant Ghost of a Duke cannot bring himself to admit cleanly his ignorant errors.
    The sneering Ghost of a Duke also shows his extreme gullibility in trusting YouTube,
    which has no editorial control.

    "If any other poster had said about any other historical character or performer that no footage of them existed,"
    --Ghost of a Duke

    ...[text shortened]... l Florence Mills and therefore that I must be obviously wrong about such a basic matter of fact.
    Yes. You are usually wrong. On most topics. Assuming you might be wrong again here was not such a big conclusion to jump to.
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    02 Nov '17 20:102 edits
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    Yes. You are usually wrong. On most topics. Assuming you might be wrong again here was not such a big conclusion to jump to.
    The extremely arrogant Ghost of a Duke cannot bring himself to admit cleanly his ignorant errors.

    Instead, Ghost of a Duke now likes to act as if he's absolutely right to assume that I must
    be absolutely wrong and that, after an admitted 'cursory search', Ghost of a Duke easily
    found video of the real Florence Mills (who looks exactly like every other black woman) performing.
    Even when he's dead wrong on the facts, Ghost of a Duke likes to act as though he's absolutely right.

    The fact that the troll Ghost of a Duke keeps acting this way shows his extreme
    arrogance, gullibility, stupidity, dishonesty, and general moral reprehensibility.

    Now let Ghost of a Duke find a YouTube video of a bridge for sale in Brooklyn, real cheap!
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    02 Nov '17 20:15
    Originally posted by @sonhouse
    I wasn't thinking of someone hiding such a treasure, I was referring to the fact that technology took giant leaps in the 1920's and 1930's making such recording equipment, movie camera's, sound recorders and such much more generally available and therefore more likely that a true star like Mills would have been recorded. Of course, you just took that as an ...[text shortened]... rly 20's, she hit me in the gut with those songs and others like 'Now that the buffalo is gone'.
    "I wasn't thinking of someone hiding such a treasure [video of Florence Mills}."
    --Sonhouse

    After a 'cursory search' (his words), Ghost of a Duke already has discovered it!
    Why not just trust Ghost of a Duke and enjoy? (All black women look exactly alike, don't they?)

    "Is this not her [Florence Mills] singing and dancing?"
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgrpViU5L_k
    --Ghost of a Duke
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    02 Nov '17 20:411 edit
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    "I wasn't thinking of someone hiding such a treasure [video of Florence Mills}."
    --Sonhouse

    After a 'cursory search' (his words), Ghost of a Duke already has discovered it!
    Why not just trust Ghost of a Duke and enjoy? (All black women look exactly alike, don't they?)

    "Is this not her [Florence Mills] singing and dancing?"
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgrpViU5L_k
    --Ghost of a Duke
    In other words, you are miffed someone would have the audacity to try to find something you, in your infinite wisdom and knowledge, told us no recordings existed and when I found a Hill misreading it as Mills, you go into immediate attack mode. BTW, did you deign to view the music I posted?

    You said you performed as a singer on many occasions around the world but see nothing posted by you of anyone in the musical community. I post such video's all the time because I think they are incredible musicians and singers.

    I find it odd that an artist like yourself would ONLY be interested in pointing out the errors of the world, especially white people and more especially white men and even more specifically, white American men, whom to hear you tell of it are all or mostly sub human in your mind and you justify that by saying it is mostly American men who hang out here in spite of the fact most of my buddies here are very far away from here, Netherlands, South Africa, New Zealand, Australia. But I don't see you attacking Australians for mis-treating Aborigines for instance, just as one example, or the Canadian government forcing first nation people into western schools, why don't you rail against that? And the answer is, they are not American because America is the country you hate the most out of all the countries in the world, it so appears.

    Is that all you can think of? Can you never think about the art you supposedly do yourself? Are you so secretive and paranoid about being found out who you are, which I have little doubt you are what you say you are, that is not what I am implying, what I am saying is you seem to have a paranoid fear of someone finding out your name and where you live. You have been extremely reticent about anything personal, not that I any longer give a damn about that but what is it about your makeup that prevents you from showing the artistic side of humanity? I am buried up to my neck in technology of many different kinds but would chuck it all if I could make a living as a folk musician and show many video's of some musical genius but you NEVER seem to want to do that. Why is that?
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    02 Nov '17 21:002 edits
    Originally posted by @sonhouse
    In other words, you are miffed someone would have the audacity to try to find something you, in your infinite wisdom and knowledge, told us no recordings existed and when I found a Hill misreading it as Mills, you go into immediate attack mode. BTW, did you deign to view the music I posted?

    You said you performed as a singer on many occasions around th ...[text shortened]... and show many video's of some musical genius but you NEVER seem to want to do that. Why is that?
    Given his extreme gullibility and eagerness to believe that I must be wrong, Sonhouse should
    congratulate Ghost of a Duke for quickly discovering video of the real Florence Mills and enjoy it.
    After all, every other black woman cannot dance or sing any differently from Florence Mills, could she?

    Sonhouse should encourage Ghost of a Duke to turn his 'cursory' attention to some unsolved
    problems in physics, where he may quickly make more astonishing discoveries (sarcasm intended).

    Sonhouse keeps showing that he's an extremely arrogant opinionated fool, full of obstinate prejudices.
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    02 Nov '17 21:06
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    The extremely arrogant Ghost of a Duke cannot bring himself to admit cleanly his ignorant errors.

    Instead, Ghost of a Duke now likes to act as if he's absolutely right to assume that I must
    be absolutely wrong and that, after an admitted 'cursory search', Ghost of a Duke easily
    found video of the real Florence Mills (who looks exactly like every othe ...[text shortened]... y.

    Now let Ghost of a Duke find a YouTube video of a bridge for sale in Brooklyn, real cheap!
    Only you have insinuated that all black women might be perceived as looking the same. I certainly have never entertained such a thought. Perhaps you think repetition of a falsehood makes it true?

    Perhaps you are the one with suspect morality? Indeed only one of us has been banned from the forums for abusive trolling. (And it isn't me).
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    02 Nov '17 21:08
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    Given his extreme gullibility and eagerness to believe that I must be wrong, Sonhouse should
    congratulate Ghost of a Duke for quickly discovering video of the real Florence Mills and enjoy it.
    After all, every other black woman cannot dance or sing any differently from Florence Mills, could she?

    Sonhouse should encourage Ghost of a Duke to turn his ' ...[text shortened]... se keeps showing that he's an extremely arrogant opinionated fool, full of obstinate prejudices.
    Interesting how you try to deflect from the main points I tried to make. I was not trying to prove you wrong, I made a shallow search and got it wrong. So now you think I must be in some kind of battle of wills to prove you wrong. That assumption tells a lot more about your personality than you would wish to show.

    Why don't you answer what I actually said, which is why, since you claim to be a singer, an artist, that you are not interested enough in art to actually show other people's work?
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    02 Nov '17 21:141 edit
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    Only you have insinuated that all black women might be perceived as looking the same. I certainly have never entertained such a thought. Perhaps you think repetition of a falsehood makes it true?

    Perhaps you are the one with suspect morality? Indeed only one of us has been banned from the forums for abusive trolling. (And it isn't me).
    Ghost of a Duke apparently likes to pretend as though there's *not* a common racist
    stereotype about all black (or Asian) persons of the same gender supposedly looking alike.

    http://www.theroot.com/no-neither-asians-nor-blacks-all-look-alike-1790896079

    "No, Neither Asians nor Blacks All Look Alike"

    "Remember when E! confused actresses Viola Davis and Octavia Spencer? When a
    Buffalo, N.Y., news station displayed a photo of Seal when Michael Clarke Duncan died?
    When George Stephanopoulos thought Bill Russell was Morgan Freeman?"

    "Last month my professor friend told me she'd received a message from a student who
    was horrified that he'd confused her with the only other black female faculty member in
    her department. Believe me when I tell you they look nothing alike. Plus, one was pregnant."

    I would not be surprised that Ghost of a Duke (who's presumably not black, though he
    has preferred not to admit that he's white, notwithstanding his great ignorance of racism)
    would find it harder to distinguish one black woman from another.

    "How much responsibility should one have to take for a mistake made without any intent to harm?
    But what if that mistake sends a dismissive signal that people placed into the same racial group are interchangeable?"

    "When you have a harder time recognizing or distinguishing between members of racial
    ethnic groups other than your own, what's at work is known as the "cross-race effect."
    It's been widely studied and researched around the world in contexts such as criminal justice,
    where it can really mess up eyewitness identifications."

    "So, no, it's not the case that Asian people "really do have similar features," said Hugenberg, adding
    that "people who grew up among Asian people are quite good at distinguishing visibly among Asians."
    Just as most African Americans would avoid some of the celebrity slip-ups listed above."
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