29 Sep 09
Originally posted by StarrmanGreat. Something I can't look at.
Well, remember I haven't said they were objectively important, only important to the listener xymself. An example of lyrics which I think are the major factor in a song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ZyuULy9zs
29 Sep 09
Originally posted by PBE6So you like The Smiths but hate Morrissey's voice? Hard to separate the two, in my opinion. If anything, this is an example I would use to support my own view. For me, Morrissey's unique voice is a major part of what makes the Smiths who they are, not what he was singing.
I'd say most Smiths songs. Morrissey wrote some pretty interesting lyrics, but he sings like Kermit the Frog getting a ham-job (the rest of the music is usually good though...).
I do love the lyrics to 'The Headmaster Ritual' though. Probably one of my more favourite Smiths songs.
29 Sep 09
Originally posted by PalynkaAgreed, I'm not sure what can be gained by it.
It's all relative anyway. 😞
Darv I'm not attempting to label which songs have important lyrics, only that there are songs in which for me (and I presume I'm not the only one) the lyrics are an important part.
29 Sep 09
Originally posted by darvlayFair enough. I just doubt many people listen to the Smiths with the aesthetic pleasure gained from the focusing on the tone of Morrissey's voice as the main reward (i.e. I'm sure many more people say "what a great song!" than "what a great voice!" ).
So you like The Smiths but hate Morrissey's voice? Hard to separate the two, in my opinion. If anything, this is an example I would use to support my own view. For me, Morrissey's unique voice is a major part of what makes the Smiths who they are, not what he was singing.
I do love the lyrics to 'The Headmaster Ritual' though. Probably one of my more favourite Smiths songs.
29 Sep 09
Originally posted by PBE6Are you sure about that? I would have to disagree and say that most Smith fans are big fans of Morrissey's voice. Me being one of them.
Fair enough. I just doubt many people listen to the Smiths with the aesthetic pleasure gained from the focusing on the tone of Morrissey's voice as the main reward (i.e. I'm sure many more people say "what a great song!" than "what a great voice!" ).
29 Sep 09
Originally posted by darvlayI would like to wager on this, yes. I will buy you one (1) pint of your choice if you can demonstrate that the majority of Smiths fans, when played a Smiths song and then asked "so, what do you think?", would answer "Morrissey has a great voice" instead of "what a great song" (variations thereof approved for the purposes of this discussion). However, if you lose, you have to send Morrissey a tube steak by registered mail. You are free to interpret "tube steak" as you wish, any way you slice it I think he'll still find it to be a conundrum.
Are you sure about that? I would have to disagree and say that most Smith fans are big fans of Morrissey's voice. Me being one of them.
Deal?!?~
29 Sep 09
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Originally posted by PBE6Damnit! I wish we had the ability to poll in these forums.
I would like to wager on this, yes. I will buy you one (1) pint of your choice if you can demonstrate that the majority of Smiths fans, when played a Smiths song and then asked "so, what do you think?", would answer "Morrissey has a great voice" instead of "what a great song" (variations thereof approved for the purposes of this discussion). However, if you l u wish, any way you slice it I think he'll still find it to be a conundrum.
Deal?!?~
I wouldn't agree to that bet though, because I think "What a great song" could also mean "What a great voice" and the results would be skewed.
A better poll question would be:
If you like the Smiths, what, in your opinion, is their best feature?
Or something like that...
I bet Morrissey's voice would rate higher than any other answer.
29 Sep 09
Originally posted by StarrmanI was mocking your position, by the way.
Agreed, I'm not sure what can be gained by it.
Darv I'm not attempting to label which songs have important lyrics, only that there are songs in which for me (and I presume I'm not the only one) the lyrics are an important part.
29 Sep 09
Originally posted by MelanerpesInteresting question. Would Joni Mitchell's music have had the same appeal if she had a "terrible voice"? Who knows? The Smiths did alright. 😉
a "bad voice" can be an important aspect of a song
would Bob Dylan's music have had the same appeal if he had a "great voice"?
I think Starrman makes an interesting point. Music is not simple, music appreciation even less so. Do people respond to one particular element of a song and ignore the rest? Sometimes. Do people disregard songs if they find one element objectionable? Sometimes. Do people find joy in things others despise? Often. Will someone try to force their musical opinion on you and claim your opinion is "wrong" if you disagree? Always. You'll do it to someone sometime, too.