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176 Countries require Voter ID.  USA is not one of them.

176 Countries require Voter ID. USA is not one of them.

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@Suzianne said
I didn't think you knew what facts were.

All you know are the dribblings from your Orange Jesus' mouth.
You are a coward!


@Fzek47 said
@AverageJoe1
The US leads the world in gun deaths. #1! Ban abortions to protect the unborn so that they can be gunned down in primary school by an assault weapon. Outstanding!
Out of context little fella. That will be the next mission of Susie Anne, to check people who are out of context..
Check the stats, see who is killing who. See who has it coming. See who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. This has nothing to do with the United States of America. It has to do with slime mostly.
I can predict that I will not be killed tonight. I want you to think, how does average Joe know that. There are many people in Chicago that cannot make that prediction. So you see the context problem..
Geez. Hey, I am told that Canada invented the drone boat that saved those two pilots. Darn I thought the USA had done that, y’all are just really eclipsing the USA. ๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†
Really do y’all do anything? Romania probably does not even know what a drone boat is..
Do you think someone from Canada will pour millions into SpaceX when it goes public tomorrow? I don’t know of any corporations in Canada where we will pour millions in for investment..
Geez. Losers.
And get positioned in the market, Trump is about to make his mark in history..


@no1marauder said
Texas left out Student ID's, even one issued by State institutions, but included handgun permits. That's because college students tend to be "liberal" and gun permit holders to be "conservative". This is exactly the type of political chicanery right wingers engage in to gain advantages with voters photo ID laws.
Student IDs are issued without the vetting process as drivers licenses or state issued ID cards..

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@Fzek47 said
@AverageJoe1
The US leads the world in gun deaths. #1! Ban abortions to protect the unborn so that they can be gunned down in primary school by an assault weapon. Outstanding!
Top Countries for Firearm HomicidesWhen strictly looking at gun-related homicides per capita, hotspots for gang violence, organized crime, and regional instability dominate the global rankings๐Ÿ˜•aint Kitts and Nevis: 57.74 per 100,000 people.Saint Vincent and the Grenadines: 42.44 per 100,000 people.Jamaica: ~41.97 per 100,000
people.Ecuador: ~39.53 per 100,000 people.Honduras: ~23.15 per 100,000 people (Historically peaking up to ~67 per 100,000 i

What assault rifles were used, they’re illegal without proper license.


@mike69 said
Student IDs are issued without the vetting process as drivers licenses or state issued ID cards..
BS.

" When obtaining an ID Card, we require a valid government issued ID to be verified since ID Cards contain identifiable information."

https://catalog.utexas.edu/general-information/registration-tuition-and-fees/tuition-and-fees/identification-cards/

You didn't even bother to look anything up did you? You just made a claim without anything to back it up hoping no one would check.


@no1marauder said
BS.

" When obtaining an ID Card, we require a valid government issued ID to be verified since ID Cards contain identifiable information."

https://catalog.utexas.edu/general-information/registration-tuition-and-fees/tuition-and-fees/identification-cards/

You didn't even bother to look anything up did you? You just made a claim without anything to back it up hoping no one would check.
That is from looking it up go back and read what I went through to get a drivers license. What about students if cards from other countries?


@mike69 said
That is from looking it up go back and read what I went through to get a drivers license. What about students if cards from other countries?
Students from other countries couldn't be registered to vote in the first place.

The only thing it does is make it harder for young students to vote and it does so for the reasons I gave as you well know.


@no1marauder said
Students from other countries couldn't be registered to vote in the first place.

The only thing it does is make it harder for young students to vote and it does so for the reasons I gave as you well know.
Now read the reason and the fact that over 97% of people here have a state issued I’d, drivers license, or other properly vetted accepted form of I’d. Wouldn’t you think the last bit could get one if desired, especially those college students .


@mike69 said
Now read the reason and the fact that over 97% of people here have a state issued I’d, drivers license, or other properly vetted accepted form of I’d. Wouldn’t you think the last bit could get one if desired, especially those college students .
I think making people jump through extra hoops to exercise their rights is an abuse of governmental power esp. when it is done for naked political advantage.

We can go over the numbers, but by any measure the SAVE Act in particular would require tens of millions of US citizens to take additional steps not now required to A) Register; and B) Vote.

It is an unnecessary infringement on a basic right that has not been shown to further any legitimate governmental interest (voting fraud is extremely rare and virtually none of the law's provisions would actually reduce fraud anyway).


@no1marauder said
I think making people jump through extra hoops to exercise their rights is an abuse of governmental power esp. when it is done for naked political advantage.

We can go over the numbers, but by any measure the SAVE Act in particular would require tens of millions of US citizens to take additional steps not now required to A) Register; and B) Vote.

It is an unnecess ...[text shortened]... ud is extremely rare and virtually none of the law's provisions would actually reduce fraud anyway).
Bs, remember over 97%. How many illegals here with vote hungry dems, would you care if they voted for the Democrats? What a stupid thing you’re trying to make an issue that isn’t one, you should be embarrassed an intelligent person trying to make it one. It’s only for the highest office in the country. Those poor hoop jumpers.


@mike69 said
Bs, remember over 97%. How many illegals here with vote hungry dems, would you care if they voted for the Democrats? What a stupid thing you’re trying to make an issue that isn’t one, you should be embarrassed an intelligent person trying to make it one. It’s only for the highest office in the country. Those poor hoop jumpers.
You're either incredibly ignorant of what the SAVE Act would require or really dishonest.

"Require every American to provide documentary proof of citizenship (such as a passport, birth certificate, or citizenship certificate) to register or re-register to vote.

Functionally eliminate online and mail-in voter registration, and other voter registration efforts by requiring people to produce citizenship documents in person to an election official. Only 6% of voters currently register in person at an elections office.

Severely disrupt in-person voter registration drives, which have been essential for mobilizing political participation in Black communities and other historically marginalized communities."

"Who would be affected?
70 million married people who have changed their last name from the name on their birth certificate

146 million Americans who do not have a passport

Nearly half of Black Americans under 30 who do not have ID with their current name and address

Rural voters who may live far from election offices and would not easily be able to register in person

People with disabilities and older voters who may not be able to register in person"

https://www.naacpldf.org/case-issue/save-act-saves-no-one-voter-suppression-bill-explained/

Among its more stupid and pointless requirements is that persons have the same address on their photo ID as on their voter registration and that those who move (approximately 10% of American voters each year) have to appear in person at the DMV or other government office that issued the ID and have the address changed on it AND then have to go to the local Board of Elections with their updated ID, in person again, and have the address changed there. You tell me what that possibly has to do with non-citizens voting!

There's a lot of other dumb s**t in it like trying to abolish on-line registration and mail in voting that tens of millions rely on. Right wingers rarely mention those provisions in idiotic propaganda threads like this one.


@no1marauder said
You're either incredibly ignorant of what the SAVE Act would require or really dishonest.

"Require every American to provide documentary proof of citizenship (such as a passport, birth certificate, or citizenship certificate) to register or re-register to vote.

Functionally eliminate online and mail-in voter registration, and other voter registration efforts by requ ...[text shortened]... rely on. Right wingers rarely mention those provisions in idiotic propaganda threads like this one.
Like I said it’s pointless to talk to you libs, of course you would love illegals voting for libs. It’s only the most important job in the US and many ways the world do you get that. Your party isn’t trustworthy.


@no1marauder said
Driver's licenses, even REAL ID compliant one, are insufficient voter ID under the SAVE Act because they do not show proof of citizenship.
The SAVE act is based on fabrications and / or guesses of future scenarios that don't exist currently. It's also very expensive and grows government.


@no1marauder said
Under SAVE, you could not register to vote just with a Driver's License because it does not show citizenship.
Well, that’s clear then.

Before you can obligate ID for voting, the US has to sort out what counts as an ID, has to sort out how to do the postal voting and has to give people time to adjust before implementation.


@no1marauder said
Texas left out Student ID's, even one issued by State institutions, but included handgun permits. That's because college students tend to be "liberal" and gun permit holders to be "conservative". This is exactly the type of political chicanery right wingers engage in to gain advantages with voters photo ID laws.
That sounds crackers.

Gerrymandering, this ID scam you just described, etc. Just to rig voting.

The US would be better served by having a Scandinavian or Western European commission look into how to set up the election process and have them impliment it for the US.
So that a completely objective set of rules is created; that individual states have to abide by.

Bloody ridiculous.