@mott-the-hoople saidThat drugs are controlled / illegal and alcohol is controlled. If you think that controls don’t work for guns why not scrap them for Drugs and alcohol it’s not like the problem is improved by controls.
73,000 drug related deaths and 70,000 alcohol related. what point are you making?
@kazetnagorra saidI believe your implied analogy is a little backwards from the reality of gun regulation.
Ah, so you're saying we should prevent alcohol from getting into the hands of irresponsible drivers?
We let the drunks keep the alcohol (the problem), and instead try to keep them from driving a vehicle (treating the symptom of "accidental" homicide instead). The "vehicle regulation" is the "gun regulation" in your analogy, not the "alcohol". So in order to minimize drunk driving incidents, we might impose a law that no person drives between the hours of 11 pm and 3 am. However, as usual with these types of "solutions" it excessively regulates a very large group of responsible vehicle operators at the expense of a few a$$ wipes...
@athousandyoung saidOh nope yourself....they no longer can keep their army ISSUE ammo at home, but they can buy ammo at sporting good stores, etc for their guns and keep it at home if they want.
Nope
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/soldiers-can-keep-guns-at-home-but-not-ammo/970614
And I'd wager they all do.
https://www.arizonarifleman.com/2015/10/16/question-of-the-day-can-the-swiss-keep-ammo-at-home/
@phranny saidIt's called "willful ignorance". People prefer to stay safe in their own fairy tale world.
It used to be thought that "stupid" was due to a lack of easy access to information and data. Apparently the cause is something else.
@shavixmir saidSure, but that's Chicago. What about the rest of the country?
That, my friends, is so bizarre that it’s not worth writing an actual post about.
@earl-of-trumps saidProbably all farmers watching their multi-generational livelihood destroyed by Trump, whom most of them voted for.
Is your figure right? I think it is more like 40,000.
Anyway, what the stat makers are so slow to admit is, the vast majority of the gun deaths in America are suicide.
@shavixmir saidAnd none of those gun deaths had anything to do with illicit drug use?
Alcohol = done it yourself.
Drugs = done it yourself.
Guns = 40% done by someone else.
Hence the difference in approach.
Really?
LMAO!
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@mott-the-hoople saidBut you're fine with selling those people guns?
73,000 drug related deaths and 70,000 alcohol related. what point are you making?
This thread is about gun related deaths, not whataboutisms.
@mott-the-hoople saidWhat's "up" with that is we don't do "whataboutism".
I asked what was the point he was making...maybe you can explain the point.
My point is far more people die because of drugs and/or alcohol but never a peep out of you liberals...whats up with that?
@bunnyknight saidTake off your tin foil hat and you might see better.
I haven't seen a single major problem being tackled by addressing the cause. That includes everything from shootings, to terrorism, to cancer, and to poverty.
@mott-the-hoople saidWould you care to share that with us ?
@mghrn55
"Is there a compelling reason for guns to be proliferated into society as an epidemic ? "
yes
Why do you believe in the 2nd amendment ?
@mott-the-hoople saidA lack of sleep is as bad for driving as drinking.
impaired driving actually
How many sleep-related deaths are caused in cars?
By law, alcohol gets the blame, logic though says the only true component that can be removed to stop car-related drink-driving deaths, is removing the car from the equation.
Yeah... and that ain’t gonna happen.
I have no problems with people shooting themselves. That’s one of two good uses for a gun (the other is hunting).
Let’s turn this argument about: why do you think you have the right to own guns?
Right. You’ve got your argument in your head.
Can you not use that argument to argue that you should have the right to own RPG’s? Plastic explosives? An Apache? A tank? Flame throwers? Why can’t your argument be used to claim the right to own 500 pound bombs, an MG42 on tripod, an M242 or, hell, an ICBM?
Why is there a cut-off point?
And do you agree that if there is a cut-off point that society can choose to make it stricter or looser?
Or do you think there shouldn’t be a cut-off point?
And if so, do you understand why society doesn’t want NRA members flying around in F-16’s?