Originally posted by kirksey957
Why do you mention that you're in Kansas?
Entirely random location.
It just struck me as odd you having an avatar of a african american man (which I presure you would want people to believe is you) and a caucasian woman and then needlessly mention that you're with a white woman. That's just what confused me.
For example. Should people believe I am caucasian and my location is 'with black men', would it not strike you as odd that I should mention such a thing ? Some might mistake it as a racist remark I guess (coming from a white guy). Ofcourse based on your previous post, apparently this woman is famous, but for us international folk, it is confusing.
Originally posted by pcaspianSo you are telling us that you are not really from Kansas?
Originally posted by kirksey957
[b]Why do you mention that you're in Kansas?
Entirely random location.
It just struck me as odd you having an avatar of a african american man (which I presure you would want people to believe is you) and a caucasian woman and then needlessly mention that you're with a white woman. That's just what confu ...[text shortened]... previous post, apparently this woman is famous, but for us international folk, it is confusing.[/b]
Originally posted by pcaspianNo, it would not strike me as odd for you to mention a similar situation. But I can appreciate that others might not feel the same way. Others on the site have expressed their disapproval of my using Snoop Dogg as an avatar. Now could this not be construed as "they don't like black people?"
Originally posted by kirksey957
[b]So you are telling us that you are not really from Kansas?
My real name is also not pcaspian. Now if you care to address my previous post, that would be most helpfull.
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Again, I encourage all to not take avatars, locations, and the like too seriously. My intent was humor. Humor often takes the form of just naming the obvious.
Originally posted by kirksey957
Again, I encourage all to not take avatars, locations, and the like too seriously. My intent was humor. Humor often takes the form of just naming the obvious.
Well Kirk, see here is the dilema. I have a black collegue that listens to 'black' music. Constant references are made to 'niggas' in that station, but because it is said by a black DJ, it is acceptable. Many rappers will also call each other by the name 'niggas' . This is not constued as a racist remark.
Now if however I call someone on this site (or anywhere else) a 'nigga' (even in jest), it is racist (because I am not 'black'😉. The same can be said for pretending to be 'black', because that is seen as making 'fun' of black people. An episode of Seinfeld with the anti-semite dentist probably summarises the situation best. It is not acceptable to make jewish jokes, unless you're jewish yourself. So firstly, if you don't mind, can you confirm that you are indeed 'black' or african-american, just to put my mind at ease ? Secondly, what you should understand is that a common 'jibe' between black men and white men is when a black man sleeps with a white woman, as, I guess, a 'haha' from the ex slave, to the old 'slave owner' as in "I'm nailing yo woman" sorta thing.
Now, little do I care who you have as your avatar, but when you have a picture of a black man and white woman and state 'with white woman', it smacks of the "I'm nailing yo woman" jab. Well, simply put, should that me the intent on racial humour, I think I would find it sorta inappropriate on RHP. Ofcourse I am not certain this is what you are attempting to do, merely pointing out that I (and others perhaps) may perceive this as your intention.
with best intentions..
Originally posted by pcaspianThe whole "ha ha" thing which you allude to has been around a long time before slave times. Shakespeare was very insightful of this issue in Othello. It is also why the whole O J Simpson case was so sensationalized. I take issue with the idea that only blacks can make fun of blacks. Blacks make fun (and for good reasons) of whites. Jewish comics make fun of Christians and I have no problem with that. Why the hell can't I do the same in a way that is in the same spirit of goading that they do?
Originally posted by kirksey957
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Again, I encourage all to not take avatars, locations, and the like too seriously. My intent was humor. Humor often takes the form of just naming the obvious.
Well Kirk, see here is the dilema. I have a black collegue that listens to 'black' music. Constant references are made to 'niggas' in that sta ...[text shortened]... t I (and others perhaps) may perceive this as your intention.
with best intentions..
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On another level I participate in some things on a private level to help people who are minorities. But I will be the first to admit that I am not above prejudice. I come from "white trash" roots so there is the answer to one of your questions. I just believe that naming the issue takes away its power and potential to harm. If you have ever heard any conversations between Howard Stern (a person of Jewish decent), Robin Quivers (a black) and Daniel Carver (of the KKK), you will understand the power of honest humor to transcend prejudice.
The inappropiateness you see in my avatar stems from your own (or anyone else's) insecurity. Wouldn't it be absolutely ridiculous if Al Sharpton and Ann Coulter said to one another, "You know maybe we should not have our picture taken together as it might provoke a lot of sexual insecurity in white men." When I said, "With the white women" I was simply tapping into an archetypal fear than white men have. The same one that Shakespeare tapped into with Othello. In my opinion, naming it simply demystifies the issue.
Let me give another example. Had my racist ancestors said something like, "You know, maybe we hate niggers cause we can't stand the nigger in us" that might have been a very healing and, dare I say, wholesome statement. It might have been redemptive on some level if they could have admitted that they were indeed "trash" in the way they thought of others.
Originally posted by kirksey957
The whole "ha ha" thing which you allude to has been around a long time before slave times. Shakespeare was very insightful of this issue in Othello. It is also why the whole O J Simpson case was so sensationalized. I take issue with the idea that only blacks can make fun of blacks. Blacks make fun (and for good reasons) of whites. Jewish comics make fun of Christians and I have no problem with that. Why the hell can't I do the same in a way that is in the same spirit of goading that they do?
Kirk I do agree with you to a great extent. I do believe being PC is a bit OT at most places, but my view is that there are certain 'sensitive' topics to be extremely carefull of. Forinstance a Jewish joke about 'gas' really is something to avoid. In the same way pretending to be a 'homeboy' creates a stigma for black people. There is something to be said for the minority being able to make fun of the majority, but not the other way around. Perhaps you may not agree, but there is something "awkward" about a white man calling a black man a 'nigga', even in jest, reason being that even though there may be an understanding between the two men, any 3rd party that join in may be offended. eg: Should I have an understanding with a jewish man that I can tease him about something, I could make a joke about gas, yet should any other Jewish person happen to hear the joke, they probably would be grosly offended.
Simply put, it seems as if you're 'stirring' 😉 Your avatar sais "you're a racist" but no-one knows if it's intended for them... Kinda like a black man saying to you "black power" ... and you're suppose to try understand what he's trying to tell you 🙂
cheers
I do not mind being perceived as a racist. It offers the hope that the person will check it out with me and a relationship will ensue. It may be that I am a racist and will understand myself on a new level because the person has the courage to confront me. It is also possible that I may alleviate that person's fears. So the picture of Ann Coulter and Al Sharpton is a hopeful and even spiritual image.
Originally posted by richhoeyYou should just say have a seperate RBHILL Thread.
Every time I visit the debate forum these days I'm swamped in threads about bloody God. 'The concept of sin', 'atonement theology', 'why organised religion is a crock', BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. Every one of these threads is a) dull, dull, dull and b) totally devoid of any element of debate. Apparently it's impossible to debate whether or not God exists - i ...[text shortened]... political context would of course be tolerated - if grudgingly).
Erm, anyone agree?
Rich.
Also a seperate SVW,Ivanhoe, the dominator and Stang Threads as well.
Originally posted by kirksey957The only hopeful picture with Ann Coulter in would be one with her sharing a cell with Martha Stewart.
I do not mind being perceived as a racist. It offers the hope that the person will check it out with me and a relationship will ensue. It may be that I am a racist and will understand myself on a new level because the person has the courage to confront me. It is also possible that I may alleviate that person's fears. So the picture of Ann Coulter and Al Sharpton is a hopeful and even spiritual image.
Originally posted by kirksey957That's some fine redneck thinking, not that you asked me, though.
The whole "ha ha" thing which you allude to has been around a long time before slave times. Shakespeare was very insightful of this issue in Othello. It is also why the whole O J Simpson case was so sensationalized. I take issue w ...[text shortened]... at they were indeed "trash" in the way they thought of others.
Keep pushing on those insecurities!
As to a separate forum for religion, I'm all for it, but only if we can keep the God Squad confined there. If they "capture every thought to serve their blessed Jesus," they will disobey the law. It is a bad idea to make laws that people are just gonna ignore. Remeber how Prohibition aided the mob. We don't need a bunch of Jesus' homeboys organizing to commit crimes.
