AIDS on the rise for boys 13-29

Originally posted by stellspalfie
christian liberal hippies??? is that possible??

my parents are not practising Christians, what on earth gave you that idea?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
STD's, pregnancy, emotional turmoil?

I was not very promiscuous, in fact i was quite shy to be honest. i never liked night clubs, student union bars. Its not to say that i did not get offers to go out with girls, I did, especially in college, but by that time i was studying to become a witness and trying to explain to them was quite difficult, not solely because they were so tasty.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
my parents are not practising Christians, what on earth gave you that idea?

apologies, i vaguely remember you saying you were sent to sunday school. i assumed that your parents must have been christians.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
apologies, i vaguely remember you saying you were sent to sunday school. i assumed that your parents must have been christians.

i was, my mum was friendly with a family who were very religious and they used to pick us up, but i dont think i lasted very long. i have very vague memories of going there.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I was not very promiscuous, in fact i was quite shy to be honest. i never liked night clubs, student union bars. Its not to say that i did not get offers to go out with girls, I did, especially in college, but by that time i was studying to become a witness and trying to explain to them was quite difficult, not solely because they were so tasty.

doesnt it seem a tad unfair and slightly hypocritical to preach to others what they should and shouldnt do regarding sex when you had the freedom in the early part of your life to do what you wanted? without being that person you would never be the person you are now.

isnt is good to experience both sides of the coin before deciding what is best for you?

are you not concerned that your children will grow up with out experiencing these things and coming to god on their own rather than being scared into abstinence and pushed towards god?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
doesnt it seem a tad unfair and slightly hypocritical to preach to others what they should and shouldnt do regarding sex when you had the freedom in the early part of your life to do what you wanted? without being that person you would never be the person you are now.

isnt is good to experience both sides of the coin before deciding what is best for ...[text shortened]... and coming to god on their own rather than being scared into abstinence and pushed towards god?

no its nothing of the sort, i was not guided by the same principles because i was unaware of those principles, are you seeking to condemn someone for failing to comply with principles that they did not know existed?

Dos one need to experience the same before learning from the mistakes of others?

No i am more concerned that my children are being taught in an essentially secular liberal environment which has no real sense of sexual propriety beyond that which is socially acceptable or which can be established materially, subject to peer pressure and ridicule and propaganda like 'pushed', 'scared'.

Providing moral guidance in the matter of sexuality is not pushing nor scaring, its a parental responsibility to inculcate these things in our children. Yes they will make mistakes, its inevitable, they are human and prone to aberration, but respect for the opposite sex, respect for self, highlighting the dangers associated with premarital sex and trying to make sure they recognise that commitment to a relationship is what is of prime importance, physically, spiritually and emotionally.

I think this is far superior to handing out condoms and allowing promiscuity, but then again, I realise that with some of the highest divorce rates in the world, the UK and America dont really hold commitment in a relationship very highly it seems, everything for expediencies sake.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no its nothing of the sort, i was not guided by the same principles because i was unaware of those principles, are you seeking to condemn someone for failing to comply with principles that they did not know existed?

Dos one need to experience the same before learning from the mistakes of others?

No i am more concerned that my children are being ...[text shortened]... ly hold commitment in a relationship very highly it seems, everything for expediencies sake.

if you have found a new set of principles then follow them youself, but it doesnt mean you have to force your kids to believe them. why not wait until they are 18-20 then start to teach them that what your region says about sex.

i believe in bringing kids up to see different sides of an argument and not to force my opinions on them, especially when they are at the age where they will just adopt the beliefs of their parents.

as long as they are given self belief, empathy, and taught to think before they act and that feeling they can discuss anything with us in a non judgmental way that they will rise above peer pressure and make good decisions.

you dont need to experience the same before learning, but i think going to an extreme of teaching kids that god will be unhappy if they do x,y or z is adding a layer of guilt and forcing them to behave out of fear rather than because they feel its the right thing to do.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no its nothing of the sort, i was not guided by the same principles because i was unaware of those principles, are you seeking to condemn someone for failing to comply with principles that they did not know existed?

Dos one need to experience the same before learning from the mistakes of others?

No i am more concerned that my children are being ...[text shortened]... ly hold commitment in a relationship very highly it seems, everything for expediencies sake.

if your kids reach 25 and are having pre-marital sex in a steady long term relationship will you treat them exactly the same as if they were abstaining?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
if your kids reach 25 and are having pre-marital sex in a steady long term relationship will you treat them exactly the same as if they were abstaining?

I think by age twenty five, they are considered an adult responsible for their own decisions, yah think?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
if you have found a new set of principles then follow them youself, but it doesnt mean you have to force your kids to believe them. why not wait until they are 18-20 then start to teach them that what your region says about sex.

i believe in bringing kids up to see different sides of an argument and not to force my opinions on them, especially when ...[text shortened]... and forcing them to behave out of fear rather than because they feel its the right thing to do.

force my kids? i am providing the best advice available, by 18-20 they are adults, they can get married in Scotland at 16, i think by 18 -20 its a little late, dont you?

you must do what you think is in the best interests of your family as i will mine.

oh i forgot how much of an aversion you materialists have to the pangs of conscience, how did you describe it, 'adding a layer of guilt'. Only yesterday i was listening to radio 4 when guilt was being ridiculed and yet i could not help but wonder why responding to the dictates of conscience should be viewed as such a detrimental thing, then again, i forget how high you are on the latest psychoanalysis.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I think by age twenty five, they are considered an adult responsible for their own decisions, yah think?

thats not what i asked. i asked if you would treat them the same?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
force my kids? i am providing the best advice available, by 18-20 they are adults, they can get married in Scotland at 16, i think by 18 -20 its a little late, dont you?

you must do what you think is in the best interests of your family as i will mine.

oh i forgot how much of an aversion you materialists have to the pangs of conscience, how di ...[text shortened]... such a detrimental thing, then again, i forget how high you are on the latest psychoanalysis.

isnt telling your kids that god is a fact, forcing them to believe? isnt it brain washing?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
isnt telling your kids that god is a fact, forcing them to believe? isnt it brain washing?

How is it different from instilling any other moral belief or system thereof? I don't intend to have children, but should I find myself in the unfortunate situation where I would have to raise them, I would most likely attempt to instill utilitarian moral values in them. Would that be "brain washing" too?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
thats not what i asked. i asked if you would treat them the same?

i would encourage them to get married.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
How is it different from instilling any other moral belief or system thereof? I don't intend to have children, but should I find myself in the unfortunate situation where I would have to raise them, I would most likely attempt to instill utilitarian moral values in them. Would that be "brain washing" too?

indeed.