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Originally posted by stellspalfieso you have at least provided an environment conducive to reasoning. You have also provided guidance on road safety. What will you say to your kids when they are a little older concerning sexuality, meh, just do your own thing? How is that providing even a semblance of guidance?
[b] I cannot believe that you have not said, please do not hit your sister, or please refrain from biting her arm, or you must stop near the pavement and watch out for cars
no never said dont hit or bite your sister, on the few occasions its happened i would sit them down and get them to talk to each other about how they feel and why it happened ...[text shortened]... ink of one thing where i press my opinion, eating healthy food, guess that makes me a hypocrite.[/b]
Just out of interest, where does this detachment come from? what i mean is, is it a product of your own reasoning or did you read about it somewhere?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI'm asking if you experienced any repercussions as a result of your pre marital sex? STD's, pregnancy, emotional turmoil etc
I was not very promiscuous, in fact i was quite shy to be honest. i never liked night clubs, student union bars. Its not to say that i did not get offers to go out with girls, I did, especially in college, but by that time i was studying to become a witness and trying to explain to them was quite difficult, not solely because they were so tasty.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieare you misrepresenting me on purpose? or are you struggling to understand what ive said?
so you have at least provided an environment conducive to reasoning. You have also provided guidance on road safety. What will you say to your kids when they are a little older concerning sexuality, meh, just do your own thing? How is that providing even a semblance of guidance?
Just out of interest, where does this detachment come from? what i mean is, is it a product of your own reasoning or did you read about it somewhere?
all i have said is that i think its best to offer children multiple points of view and not force feed them what ever we think is correct. this is far from shrugging our shoulders and leaving it up to them.
one thing i would say is although i try to be un-biased raising my kids, they are surrounded by and probably influenced by the people we socialize with, who on the whole are like minded people. so inadvertently they probably are being swayed by the social environment they live in.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe Bible comdemns adultery, but that does not imply that sex outside of marriage is outlawed. The OT is rife with men having sex with prostitutes or raping women who happen to be in conquered areas. This is not adultery in a Biblical sense; adultery would be having sex with a woman who is married to another man of the clan. (needless to say, polygamy is also allowed and not adultery in a Biblical sense)
Ah pantomime time, oh yes it does! oh no it doesn't, oh yes it does.
(Hebrews 13:4, 5) Let marriage be honorable among all, and the marriage bed be without defilement, for God will judge fornicators and adulterers.
If practised outside of marriage, sex is therefore considered by definition, illicit and those who engage in as fornicators, whic ...[text shortened]... pre marital sex to begin with. Principles only work for those who are prepared to apply them.
Originally posted by stellspalfieyou dont seem to have offered them any points of view, this was my point.
are you misrepresenting me on purpose? or are you struggling to understand what ive said?
all i have said is that i think its best to offer children multiple points of view and not force feed them what ever we think is correct. this is far from shrugging our shoulders and leaving it up to them.
one thing i would say is although i try to be un-bia ...[text shortened]... people. so inadvertently they probably are being swayed by the social environment they live in.
Originally posted by KazetNagorrait does not mean that its lawful or applicable to Christians. Clearly as i have demonstrated to you, fornication is condemned, fornication, is by definition, sex outside marriage.
The Bible comdemns adultery, but that does not imply that sex outside of marriage is outlawed. The OT is rife with men having sex with prostitutes or raping women who happen to be in conquered areas. This is not adultery in a Biblical sense; adultery would be having sex with a woman who is married to another man of the clan. (needless to say, polygamy is also allowed and not adultery in a Biblical sense)
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Originally posted by robbie carrobiewell ive mentioned that i offer them multiple opinions a few times in this thread. maybe you missed them or guess at the gist of a post rather than reading it properly......or maybe you were slightly offended that i said teaching children god is a fact is brainwashing and wanted to have a dig back.
you dont seem to have offered them any points of view, this was my point.
Originally posted by stellspalfieno i am not offended, but intrigued, it seems to me that you are kind of detached to be honest and i thought that perhaps you had read in some parenting book to be like stand offish was the best thing you could do. That was why i asked if it was a product of your own imagination or you read it somewhere.
well ive mentioned that i offer them multiple opinions a few times in this thread. maybe you missed them or guess at the gist of a post rather than reading it properly......or maybe you were slightly offended that i said teaching children god is a fact is brainwashing and wanted to have a dig back.
Why does healthy sexual relations need to be limited to Christianity?
Christianity simply instructs as to what a healthy sexual relationship actually is. The negative results and negative consequences on society that result from unhealthy sexual relationships are self evident. Since what people want to do is not healthy, but they still want to do it, they support people who say that what they do is good.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieim not sure why you would draw that conclusion. what leads you to think that im detached and stand offish? does trying to offer your children multiple views translate to stand offish to your mind?
no i am not offended, but intrigued, it seems to me that you are kind of detached to be honest and i thought that perhaps you had read in some parenting book to be like stand offish was the best thing you could do. That was why i asked if it was a product of your own imagination or you read it somewhere.
come to think of it my kids show no emotion and like to torture small mammals so maybe you are right.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieagree in a way kids do need frank guidance but i guess thats awkward from parents and innapropriate from others - but they get it any way from the net / social media. I wouldn't restrict access to much if it were my choice.
so you have at least provided an environment conducive to reasoning. You have also provided guidance on road safety. What will you say to your kids when they are a little older concerning sexuality, meh, just do your own thing? How is that providing even a semblance of guidance?
Just out of interest, where does this detachment come from? what i mean is, is it a product of your own reasoning or did you read about it somewhere?
I really think facebook could build an 'std traker' app. Its orwellian but so is the whole site. You could build a degree of anonimity into such an app - rather then posting sensitive matters. They are recording the networks by which these diseases spread already.
Originally posted by KazetNagorraI don't doubt that, but that is to ignore the common usage "safe sex" indicating condom use.
I know we are of a different generation, but during my sex ed courses the reliability of contraceptives was extensively covered.
I indicated #3 the disclaimer to the two previous "rules".
In television advertising of feminine birth control devises such as pills and patch, the companies still use the disclaimer, does not protect against STDs. You would be surprised how many young girls don't know this.