@boonon saidTrump should apologize to all of the young boys that the US Government has abused.
Pope should apologize to all of the young boys that the Catholic clergy has abused.
https://reason.com/2024/06/12/40-percent-of-police-officers-convicted-of-child-sex-abuse-dont-get-prison-time-investigation-finds/
@boonon saidThe Pope needs to comply with criminal investigations of child abuse that he is aware of. He is no different from any other human on the planet in this regard.
Pope should apologize to all of the young boys that the Catholic clergy has abused.
But he owes NO ONE an apology for things he did not do. 😆
@Suzianne saidWow!, you’ll have to teach me how to know what all Trump supporters and all white people care about. Not to mention what’s in their hearts, along with what they do, you’re an amazing racist.
Except his ecclesiastical name is Leo XIV.
And, unlike Trump, or the entire Trumpublican Party, he cares for the poor and downtrodden.
Not just white South Africans.
@mike69 saidWell, I'm guessing that's why you're 'content'. All you can see is within, and you have no real without to compare it to. This is what I'm talking about. No discernment.
I do and I’m content, I would say try it but you’re too self centered. Sad, if you only had eyes to see and ears to hear, you’re Luke warm and will be vomited out.
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@spruce112358 saidPope Leo is no longer just a person responsible for things he personally did; he's now the official head of an organization, and as such responsible for what that organization did before he was head of it. Same as the CEO of a company or the chancellor of a university or a head of state.
The Pope needs to comply with criminal investigations of child abuse that he is aware of. He is no different from any other human on the planet in this regard.
But he owes NO ONE an apology for things he did not do. 😆
The Australian govt. apologized to aborigines. This was right, proper, and long overdue.
It's not just the abuse Leo should apologize for, but the Church's miserable record of covering it up and denying it as well. His predecessors talked a lot about praying for victims of abuse and failed culpably to deal with the abuse itself.
If a school board were caught having moved pedophile teachers around to different schools to cover up their past abuses, the successor school board would be wise to apologize for that, even if the new board hadn't committed any offenses themselves.
@moonbus saidThe difference is that the Australian government had a policy of mistreating Aboriginals and expected government officials to follow those rules. That action merits an apology.
Pope Leo is no longer just a person responsible for things he personally did; he's now the official head of an organization, and as such responsible for what that organization did before he was head of it. Same as the CEO of a company or the chancellor of a university or a head of state.
The Australian govt. apologized to aborigines. This was right, proper, and long overdu ...[text shortened]... would be wise to apologize for that, even if the new board hadn't committed any offenses themselves.
The Church has never had a policy or instructed it's clergy to mistreat anyone - quite the opposite.
The Church regrets every sin committed by every human being on the planet and prays for every single one. But it is not up to the Church to apologize for 'the sins of the world' and it is unreasonable to expect them to do so.
Expecting an apology from an organization because individuals did bad things is a form of collective punishment and should be roundly comdemned by everyone. 🙂
@spruce112358 saidYou got a few screws missing. Nobody wants apologies, nobody cares for excuses or regrets, neither inteerested in the church's internal policy.
The difference is that the Australian government had a policy of mistreating Aboriginals and expected government officials to follow those rules. That action merits an apology.
The Church has never had a policy or instructed it's clergy to mistreat anyone - quite the opposite.
The Church regrets every sin committed by every human being on the planet and prays for e ...[text shortened]... ls did bad things is a form of collective punishment and should be roundly comdemned by everyone. 🙂
Some members of the clergy in the church, have committed horrific criminal acts against children. These have been covered up, and the criminals have been allowed to continue their abuse, all with the full knowledge of the pope. This is the main point - the abuse continues. Therefore, the pope is also a criminal.
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@spruce112358 saidThe church clearly had a policy, though perhaps not written one, of covering up abuse, for example by moving pedophile priests around to other parishes. 400,000 unresolved cases in France and 300,000 in Spain is not due to a few outlier priests misbehaving. This indicates systematic cover-ups, and It goes right to the top. The Church created and maintains an interior culture of conspiratorial silence on the issue in which pedophile priests thrive and know they can continue to abuse children and get away with it. Why? because their bishops have done it, too.
The difference is that the Australian government had a policy of mistreating Aboriginals and expected government officials to follow those rules. That action merits an apology.
The Church has never had a policy or instructed it's clergy to mistreat anyone - quite the opposite.
The Church regrets every sin committed by every human being on the planet and prays for e ...[text shortened]... ls did bad things is a form of collective punishment and should be roundly comdemned by everyone. 🙂
Class action suits have been filed in America against the Church for abuses committed many years ago. This too is right and proper, and I would welcome more such suits. I would also favor lengthening the statute of limitations for such systematic abuses. In some cases, the defendants were acquitted because they were too senile to recall the abuses they committed; which just goes to show, the justice system responded too late. Why? because the Church stalled and prevaricated, held up trials and withheld evidence.
I've seen what child abuse actually does to people. Especially when they don't get closure, double especially when they know the abuser is still at large, triple especially when the same or other priests are telling the child that the child is the sinner. They never get over it, even with therapy.
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@spruce112358 saidThe Federal Republic of Germany paid reparations to Israel. This was right and proper, although the Federal Republic had not caused the Jews any harm.
Expecting an apology from an organization because individuals did bad things is a form of collective punishment and should be roundly comdemned by everyone. 🙂
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparations_Agreement_between_Israel_and_the_Federal_Republic_of_Germany
@moonbus saidReparations to surviving members of slave families in this country is long overdue and will never happen under a Republican administration. Further proof these clowns are descended from Southern Democrat plantation owners (at the very least, ideologically).
The Federal Republic of Germany paid reparations to Israel. This was right and proper, although the Federal Republic had not caused the Jews any harm.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparations_Agreement_between_Israel_and_the_Federal_Republic_of_Germany
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@Suzianne saidGermany in 1951, when the reparations treaty was signed with Israel, was not yet even one generation removed from the Nazi regime and not a few Nazis were still alive then.
Reparations to surviving members of slave families in this country is long overdue and will never happen under a Republican administration. Further proof these clowns are descended from Southern Democrat plantation owners (at the very least, ideologically).
America is a different case, since tens of millions of people have immigrated to America in the intervening 160 years since slavery was abolished who were not in any way implicated in the slave trade or slave ownership. Moreover, if reparations are due to descendants of slaves so long after the fact, then also to native Americans.
It is also worth pointing out that the Africa -> America slave trade was begun before the United States of America existed. That dubious honor goes to European colonial powers.