American Pope Leo XIV Not a Trump Fan

@spruce112358 said
But corporations are not beings with ‘human rights.’ This I don’t accept, and it was a mistake to ever go down this road.

They have something akin to rights by virtue of being an association of individuals who have rights. Thus needs further modifying and fleshing out. 😆

A corporation has no natural lifespan, no family, no spouse, and can be ‘killed’ without prejudice.

It’s not a being so doesn’t have our rights. 😆

Corporate bodies most certainly do have rights, they own property, and therefore have property rights. Moreover, corporate bodies cannot be divested of their property without due process.

@spruce112358 said
I think you have to address the question of whether or not a government is a being with an indefinite lifespan?

Beings can feel, think about, and apologize for things. But associations are not beings so they don’t think, or feel, or speak - and so don’t really apologize. It’s anthropomorphizing to think they do. Does the table say it is sorry when you stub your toe against it? 😆

Something is wrong with your analogy [like everything else]. Governments are human and are comprised of people. Tables are not human.

But if you kick the table the natural response for decent well mannered people would be to apologise [yes to the table]. Then you would laugh at yourself and realise it was the table.

@moonbus said
Corporate bodies most certainly do have rights, they own property, and therefore have property rights. Moreover, corporate bodies cannot be divested of their property without due process.

More or less agree re: property. Might want to reserve exceptions, e.g. an actual human being needs that property to live on. Or it is needed to preserve an ecosystem. But assume yes for the moment.

But issuing apologies has nothing to do with property rights. 😆

But for instance, since corporations do not have the right to vote, should they contribute to political campaigns? Does a corporation have ‘free speech’? I think they probably should not.

@spruce112358 said
More or less agree re: property. Might want to reserve exceptions, e.g. an actual human being needs that property to live on. Or it is needed to preserve an ecosystem. But assume yes for the moment.

But issuing apologies has nothing to do with property rights. 😆

But for instance, since corporations do not have the right to vote, should they contribute to political campaigns? Does a corporation have ‘free speech’? I think they probably should not.

If you think universities don't enjoy any right to freedom of speech, freedom to set their own curricula, research and teach any topic or issue they deem relevant, you might take that up with the deans of Harvard and Columbia. I hear it's a hot topic right now.

@moonbus said
If you think universities don't enjoy any right to freedom of speech, freedom to set their own curricula, research and teach any topic or issue they deem relevant, you might take that up with the deans of Harvard and Columbia. I hear it's a hot topic right now.

Harvard does not have a right to exist. Harvard should think about that before Harvard speaks. 😆

Of course, Harvard can neither think nor speak.

Individuals who work at Harvard can of course say what they please. 😆

@spruce112358 said
The Pope needs to comply with criminal investigations of child abuse that he is aware of. He is no different from any other human on the planet in this regard.

But he owes NO ONE an apology for things he did not do. 😆

are you sure he is innocent? did he ever look the other way? how are you so confident?

@AThousandYoung said
Trump should apologize to all of the young boys that the US Government has abused.

https://reason.com/2024/06/12/40-percent-of-police-officers-convicted-of-child-sex-abuse-dont-get-prison-time-investigation-finds/

Agree, all pedos must be condemned.
that is why nothing will happen with epstein island
nothing against children will ever stop because the elite are criminals