@kevcvs57 saidTalk about fairy tales .....................
I was asking for a link to the claim by vivify concerning the Ukrainian forces treatment of ethnic Russians I know all about the massacre carried out by the pro Kremlin president who broke on his election manifesto of applying for EU membership at literally the 11th hour under the command of his puppet master Putin who consequently was removed from office by a massive majori ...[text shortened]... yond me given that you supported the removal of a duly elected POTUS by the peoples representatives.
The elected President was illegally removed while the relevant government buildings were under the control of armed radical nationalists. It was within his legitimate Constitutional power to make economic agreements with whatever country he saw fit; if the People were dissatisfied with that decision the remedy was the next election.
@no1marauder saidHe left the country and fled back to his master in the Kremlin at which point the parliament voted him out of office.
Talk about fairy tales .....................
The elected President was illegally removed while the relevant government buildings were under the control of armed radical nationalists. It was within his legitimate Constitutional power to make economic agreements with whatever country he saw fit; if the People were dissatisfied with that decision the remedy was the next election.
Talk about fairy tales you love em.
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@vivify said.........Vietnam....same thing
What made both Iraq and Afghanistan difficult were the resistance forces blending in with civilians putting the U.S. in a position where they had to rethink attacks, lest they kill civilians. Until the U.S. said "fck it" and started killing civilians.
I wonder if Ukraine is hoping to use similar tactics to make Russia look bad when they kill civilians as a propaganda too ...[text shortened]... salt" after they were bombed. Seems you two may have been on to something.
Either way, not good.
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@no1marauder saidThe Parliament where the representatives of the people had no power to oust a president blatantly colluding with a foreign power to the detriment of the people? Are you sure?
The Parliament had no power to do so as you well know.
It was an armed coup, not a Constitutional transfer of power.
@kevcvs57 saidYes, I am sure and I've posted the relevant provisions of the Ukrainian Constitution on this board numerous times. Any impeachment had to be sent first to the Constitutional Court and it never was because that Court wouldn't have accepted such a false charge (Parliament disbanded that Court weeks after the coup). Many of the "People's Representatives" were absent because they feared for their lives because of armed radicals who occupied the government buildings in the capital.
The Parliament where the representatives of the people had no power to oust a president blatantly colluding with a foreign power to the detriment of the people? Are you sure?
But you know all this, but to you the end of forcing out an elected President who wasn't as amenable to Western domination as you would prefer justified such an illegal act.
@kevcvs57 saidhttps://www.washingtontimes.com/sponsored/us-strategy-ukraine-must-include-minority-rights/
Link please
To counteract Russian influence in eastern Ukraine, the Ukrainian government radically changed its minority policy. While these measures primarily target the Russian-speaking population in eastern Ukraine, the radical restrictions on native language use have devastated other ethnic groups, too.
• Since 2017, new laws on education and the state language severely restrict ethnic minorities in using and studying in their native language.
• As of July 1, 2021, a new law limits the definition of ‘indigenous’ minorities.
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@vivify saidTrue - it wasn't carried out at all.
Ukraine's oppression of ethnic Russians was not carried out by "pro Moscow forces".
Unlike Russia's (it's too late now to limit the blame to Putin) bombing of hospitals and schools.
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@no1marauder said"If she didn't want to be raped, she shouldn't have hit him back."
The victims of aggression are not absolved of their responsibility to conduct their operations by the rules of war.
You are disgusting beyond belief.
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@shallow-blue saidYou misunderstand me. In no way am I implying that Ukraine's oppression of minority groups were anywhere near what Russia is doing. All I'm saying is that oppression existed.
True - it wasn't carried out at all.
Unlike Russia's (it's too late now to limit the blame to Putin) bombing of hospitals and schools.
Maybe "oppression" was too strong of a word, since a lot of implications come with it. It was more systemic discrimination rather than physical violence like what Russia is doing, which is obviously far worse.
@shavixmir saidSecond Rule of Fight Club: Only the enemy is capable of war crimes.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/08/ukraine-ukrainian-fighting-tactics-endanger-civilians/
Well, that’s not gonna sit well with the powers that be…
This axiom probably dates back to 孫子兵法.
@kevcvs57 saidMy original point was the Ukraine has a history of mistreating citizens; Russian-speaking Ukrainians are not the only ones:
I was asking for a link to the claim by vivify concerning the Ukrainian forces treatment of ethnic Russians
https://news.un.org/en/story/2018/07/1015022
UN experts urge Ukraine to stop ‘systematic persecution’ of Roma minority