@shallow-blue saidAgain, the raving nut thingy.
"If she didn't want to be raped, she shouldn't have hit him back."
You are disgusting beyond belief.
That the rules of war are applicable to both sides is a noncontroversial precept of international law.
@no1marauder saidThe US is not the world son it’s not the arbiter of democracy or constitution. Some countries believe the constitution is there to serve the people not the other way round. The majority get to decide on the veracity and functionality of their constitution in most countries.
Yes, I am sure and I've posted the relevant provisions of the Ukrainian Constitution on this board numerous times. Any impeachment had to be sent first to the Constitutional Court and it never was because that Court wouldn't have accepted such a false charge (Parliament disbanded that Court weeks after the coup). Many of the "People's Representatives" were absent because ...[text shortened]... dent who wasn't as amenable to Western domination as you would prefer justified such an illegal act.
Clearly when the vast majority of elected representatives carried out the wishes of the vast majority of the people democracy outranked the politically arrived at constitution which might have protected a presidential traitor to the people and constitution which presumably somewhere states that Ukraine is governed from Kiev not Moscow and a president that orders the slaughter of his own people is no longer the president and the peoples representatives can remove him.
@kevcvs57 saidIn other words, laws mean nothing: only power does. And a "traitor" is some politician that disagrees with you.
The US is not the world son it’s not the arbiter of democracy or constitution. Some countries believe the constitution is there to serve the people not the other way round. The majority get to decide on the veracity and functionality of their constitution in most countries.
Clearly when the vast majority of elected representatives carried out the wishes of the vast majority ...[text shortened]... aughter of his own people is no longer the president and the peoples representatives can remove him.
We have seen the consequences of that philosophy in the Ukraine.
@no1marauder saidThat is just b.s. Ukraine was invaded by Russia and they are fighting for their survival. There are no rules when people are killing you.
The victims of aggression are not absolved of their responsibility to conduct their operations by the rules of war.
@vivify saidIt was an I’ll thought out wrong headed desperate attempt to emphasise a national identity in a country whose powerful neighbour did not recognise its independent ethnic existence and showed an intent to eradicate its national identity.
You misunderstand me. In no way am I implying that Ukraine's oppression of minority groups were anywhere near what Russia is doing. All I'm saying is that oppression existed.
Maybe "oppression" was too strong of a word, since a lot of implications come with it. It was more systemic discrimination rather than physical violence like what Russia is doing, which is obviously far worse.
Putin is still claiming that Ukraine and in effect Ukrainian identity does not exist.
It cannot be right for peoples whose very existence is not under severe threat to judge the actions of those in that position.
Zelensky has filed high treason charges against two former cabinet ministers because they helped negotiate a 2010 agreement that extended Russia's lease on a naval base in the Crimea in exchange for lower prices on Russian gas going to the Ukraine. https://interfax.com/newsroom/top-stories/81594/
That agreement was ratified by the majority in the Ukraine's Parliament who are all presumably "traitors" as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharkiv_Pact
@quackquack saidYou make stupid categorial statements like this all the time.
That is just b.s. Ukraine was invaded by Russia and they are fighting for their survival. There are no rules when people are killing you.
And they are wrong; no matter who invaded who, the rules of war apply to all parties.
@no1marauder saidYour idea of constitutional law means nothing in terms of what constitutional arrangements or changes another sovereign state makes no No1 its means absolutely zero.
In other words, laws mean nothing: only power does. And a "traitor" is some politician that disagrees with you.
We have seen the consequences of that philosophy in the Ukraine.
If your critique of the Ukrainian Parliament and peoples actions is devoid of context then your critique is absolutely meaningless and some would say disingenuously mischievous.
“ @no1marauder said
In other words, laws mean nothing: only power does. And a "traitor" is some politician that disagrees with you.”
Hahaha this where you turn hypocrisy into an art form
You twice supported the impeachment of a duly elected president, you tried to remove the peoples democratic choice from power on a blatantly partisan platform, you failed because you could not get 60% of the senate to agree with your partisan opinion.
The Ukrainian Parliament voted to remove Yanukovych with a 72% majority.
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@vivify said“ This is what Ukraine is trying to prevent from spreading to its western areas.
What made both Iraq and Afghanistan difficult were the resistance forces blending in with civilians putting the U.S. in a position where they had to rethink attacks, lest they kill civilians. Until the U.S. said "fck it" and started killing civilians.
I wonder if Ukraine is hoping to use similar tactics to make Russia look bad when they kill civilians as a propaganda too ...[text shortened]... salt" after they were bombed. Seems you two may have been on to something.
Either way, not good.
“Ukraine: Russian soldiers filmed viciously attacking Ukrainian POW must face justice
Responding to a video reportedly showing Russian soldiers apparently castrating a Ukrainian prisoner of war, who is gagged with his hands tied behind his back, Marie Struthers, Amnesty International’s Director for Eastern Europe and Central Asia, said:
“This horrific assault is yet another apparent example of complete disregard for human life and dignity in Ukraine committed by Russian forces. All those suspected of criminal responsibility must be investigated and, if there is sufficient admissible evidence, prosecuted in fair trials before ordinary civilian courts and without recourse to death penalty.
“Since the start of Russia’s war on Ukraine, Amnesty International has documented crimes under international law, like summary killings of captives by Russia-backed separatist forces in eastern Ukraine and extrajudicial executions of Ukrainian civilians by Russian forces. ……”
Amnesty International July 29th 2022”
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@kevcvs57 saidJesus Christ, how many times do I have to remind you of the actual events that occurred in Ukraine 2014?
Your idea of constitutional law means nothing in terms of what constitutional arrangements or changes another sovereign state makes no No1 its means absolutely zero.
If your critique of the Ukrainian Parliament and peoples actions is devoid of context then your critique is absolutely meaningless and some would say disingenuously mischievous.
“ @no1marauder said
I ...[text shortened]... th your partisan opinion.
The Ukrainian Parliament voted to remove Yanukovych with a 72% majority.
Attempts to impeach Donald Trump were made under the Constitutional rules and not with armed nationalists in control of the place where the vote was to be taken. As to Ukraine:
"This vote did not follow the impeachment process specified by the Ukrainian Constitution, which would have involved formally charging Yanukovych with a crime, a review of the charge by the Constitutional Court of Ukraine, and a three-fourths majority vote—at least 338 votes in favor—in parliament. Instead, parliament declared that Yanukovych "withdrew from his duties in an unconstitutional manner" and cited "circumstances of extreme urgency" as the reason for early elections."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity
So the impeachment A) Failed to send charges to the Constitutional Court and B) Did not receive a 3/4 majority in Parliament even after it was cast in violation of Ukraine's Constitution. All of that was in violation of Article 111 of Ukraine's Constitution.
What actually occurred in Ukraine 2014 is more like if the January 6th rioters had actually succeeded in forcing Congress to nullify the results of the 2020 election.
EDIT: The full text of Article 111 of the Ukraine's Constitution which was in effect in 2014:
"Article 111
The President of Ukraine may be removed from office by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine by the procedure of impeachment, in the event that he or she commits state treason or other crime.
The issue of the removal of the President of Ukraine from office by the procedure of impeachment is initiated by the majority of the constitutional composition of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine.
To conduct the investigation, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine establishes a special temporary investigatory commission which composition includes a special prosecutor and special investigators.
The conclusions and proposals of the temporary investigatory commission are considered at a meeting of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine.
Where there are grounds, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, by no less than twothirds of its constitutional composition, adopts a decision on the accusation of the President of Ukraine.
The decision on the removal of the President of Ukraine from office by the procedure of impeachment is adopted by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine by no less than three-quarters of its constitutional composition, after the review of the case by the Constitutional Court of Ukraine and the receipt of its opinion on the observance of the constitutional procedure of investigation and consideration of the case of impeachment, and the receipt of the opinion of the Supreme Court that the acts, of which the President of Ukraine is accused, contain elements of state
treason or other crime.
@kevcvs57 saidThe best way to end war crimes is to end the war - which you adamantly oppose.
“ This is what Ukraine is trying to prevent from spreading to its western areas.
“Ukraine: Russian soldiers filmed viciously attacking Ukrainian POW must face justice
Responding to a video reportedly showing Russian soldiers apparently castrating a Ukrainian prisoner of war, who is gagged with his hands tied behind his back, Marie Struthers, Amnesty International’s Dir ...[text shortened]... ial executions of Ukrainian civilians by Russian forces. ……”
Amnesty International July 29th 2022”