3 edits
@Cliff-Mashburn saidWhat BS. It's hardly shocking that in a few of the literally thousands of girls events a transgender girl would do well, but your statement is a ridiculous exaggeration as I'm sure you know.
The fact that they dominate over biological girls everywhere they go seems like proof that they shouldn't be allowed to compete against them, ya think?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQJUI7NRdLE&list=RDNSMQJUI7NRdLE&start_radio=1
Even in the event in your YouTube, Hernandez hardly dominated; she won the high jump only because a cisgender contestant who jumped the exact same height had a failed attempt and then Hernandez "dominated" by finishing second in the long jump:
"On Saturday, she finished the high jump with a mark of 5 feet, 7 inches, with no failed attempts. The co-winner, Jillene Wetteland, also cleared the bar at that height after a failed attempt. The two shared the first-place win and the podium because of a new policy announced by the California Interscholastic Federation earlier this week in response to Hernandez's success in which the federation allowed an additional student to compete and medal in the events where Hernandez qualified.
Hernandez placed second in the girls long jump and was a top contender in the to-be-completed girls triple jump.
Olympians Marion Jones and Tara Davis-Woodhall previously set state championship records in the long jump in 1993 and 2017, respectively, both surpassing 22 feet. This year's winner, Loren Webster, topped 21 feet (6.40 meters), with Hernandez trailing by a few inches."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/trans-athlete-ab-hernandez-wins-girls-calif-long-jump-title/ar-AA1FRf20?ocid=BingNewsSerp&cvid=ec2e52117d18416bc2c1802c7cdb1df1&ei=8
None of her performances were anywhere near the records in US high school competitions though it does appear her triple jump win was the best in any California High school track and field girls championship though almost 3 feet less than Brittany Daniels' US High School record set in 2004 in Texas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_high_school_national_records_in_track_and_field
- Joined
- 09 Jan 22
- Moves
- 1139
@no1marauder saidOnly "A few", huh?
What BS. It's hardly shocking that in a few of the literally thousands of girls events a transgender girl would do well, but your statement is a ridiculous exaggeration as I'm sure you know.
"WASHINGTON (TNND) — The U.N. says transgender athletes competing in women's athletic events have won nearly 900 medals over their competitors, according to the results of a study obtained by The National News Desk (TNND).
The 20-page document examined “violence against women and girls in sports” and claims more than 600 biologically female athletes have lost at least 890 medals to transgender competitors. These defeats occurred in over 400 competitions in 29 sports, though authors did not specify specific events, levels of competition or time periods."
@Cliff-Mashburn saidOver how many years when there were how many competitions? Probably tens of thousands or more. Heck, you clowns were bitching about a fencing competition where a transgender woman finished 24th out of 38.
Only "A few", huh?
"WASHINGTON (TNND) — The U.N. says transgender athletes competing in women's athletic events have won nearly 900 medals over their competitors, according to the results of a study obtained by The National News Desk (TNND).
The 20-page document examined “violence against women and girls in sports” and claims more than 600 biologically female athle ...[text shortened]... n 29 sports, though authors did not specify specific events, levels of competition or time periods."
And a link would be nice; AJ linked to a similar article with the "shocking" result that transgender girls and women had won something like 650 competitions but when you looked at the report it covered all kinds of obscure events like badminton over the entire world with some dating back decades.
@Cliff-Mashburn saidThe UN rapporteur seems to agree that genetics is key (p. 23):
Only "A few", huh?
"WASHINGTON (TNND) — The U.N. says transgender athletes competing in women's athletic events have won nearly 900 medals over their competitors, according to the results of a study obtained by The National News Desk (TNND).
The 20-page document examined “violence against women and girls in sports” and claims more than 600 biologically female athle ...[text shortened]... n 29 sports, though authors did not specify specific events, levels of competition or time periods."
90. In order to ensure safety and fairness in sport at all levels, they should:
(a) Improve and expand effective education campaigns on the dignity and
rights of women and girls to safety, security, targeting inter alia bystanders, male
athletes, coaches, and others;
(b) Ensure that female categories in organized sport are exclusively accessible to persons whose biological sex is female. In cases where the sex of an athlete is unknown or uncertain, a dignified, swift, non-invasive and accurate sex screening method (such as a cheek swab) or, where necessary for exceptional reasons, genetic testing should be applied to confirm the athlete’s sex. In non-professional sports spaces, the original birth certificates for verification may be appropriate. In some exceptional circumstances, such tests may need to be followed up by more complex tests;
(c) Refrain from subjecting anyone to invasive sex screening or forcing a
person to lower testosterone levels to compete in any category;
(d) Ensure the inclusive participation of all persons wishing to play
sports, through the creation of open categories for those persons who do not wish to compete in the category of their biological sex, or convert the male category into an open category;
(e) Protect the female category in sport and implement consistent testing
for doping and artificially increased levels of testosterone, without exception.
https://docs.un.org/en/A/79/325
@Cliff-Mashburn
I think you just agreed with a UN gummint bureaucrat. 😆
You may want to go lie down for a bit. 😆
1 edit
@spruce112358 saidI read it and don't care. She has no expertise in the field and relied on submissions from anti-trans groups like the Women’s Liberation Front. Footnote 29 with no link. https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/n24/249/94/pdf/n2424994.pdf
The UN rapporteur seems to agree that genetics is key (p. 23):90. In order to ensure safety and fairness in sport at all levels, they should:
(a) Improve and expand effective education campaigns on the dignity and
rights of women and girls to safety, security, targeting inter alia bystanders, male
athletes, coaches, and others;
[b](b) Ensure that femal ...[text shortened]... ally increased levels of testosterone, without exception.
https://docs.un.org/en/A/79/325
I've stated it before and I'll say it again; before transgender girls and women are banned from sporting events there should be clear evidence that these competitors have a significant, unfair advantage over the other female athletes they would be competing against. Such studies are so far lacking, so the report seems to be bowing more to political pressure on that issue rather than taking a scientific approach.
Here's an example of a study that compared athletes rather than the general population and came to inconclusive results. https://swimswam.com/ioc-releases-study-on-whether-trans-women-have-athletic-advantages/
@no1marauder saidThere is no such thing as a "transgender girl."
What BS. It's hardly shocking that in a few of the literally thousands of girls events a transgender girl would do well, but your statement is a ridiculous exaggeration as I'm sure you know.
Even in the event in your YouTube, Hernandez hardly dominated; she won the high jump only because a cisgender contestant who jumped the exact same height had a failed attempt and t ...[text shortened]... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_high_school_national_records_in_track_and_field
People who espouse this nonsense cannot be taken seriously.
1 edit
@Sleepyguy saidYou've prattled such statements out here several times apparently unaware or uncaring that the vast majority of States, medical organizations and the SCOTUS in Bostick v. Clayton County (https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/17-1618) reject such an outmoded assertion.
There is no such thing as a "transgender girl."
People who espouse this nonsense cannot be taken seriously.
Your outrage at reality doesn't make it any less real.
EDIT: This line, which has been adopted by all right wingers posting in these threads, is very similar to the intellectually light weight "It's a baby!" claim that they think resolves the right to bodily sovereignty aspect of the abortion issue.
@Cliff-Mashburn saidSounds like DEI to me!
The fact that they dominate over biological girls everywhere they go seems like proof that they shouldn't be allowed to compete against them, ya think?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQJUI7NRdLE&list=RDNSMQJUI7NRdLE&start_radio=1
@no1marauder saidyou get mad when people dont pretend with you dont you?
You've prattled such statements out here several times apparently unaware or uncaring that the vast majority of States, medical organizations and the SCOTUS in Bostick v. Clayton County (https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/17-1618) reject such an outmoded assertion.
Your outrage at reality doesn't make it any less real.
EDIT: This line, which has been adop ...[text shortened]... baby!" claim that they think resolves the right to bodily sovereignty aspect of the abortion issue.
@no1marauder saidThe posts of this poster are getting much like those of Sunhouse. I have asked this poster before, why is there no distinction made with all of these tranny people, that they be specified as to whether they still have their junk or not. I think that is a fair request.
What BS. It's hardly shocking that in a few of the literally thousands of girls events a transgender girl would do well, but your statement is a ridiculous exaggeration as I'm sure you know.
Even in the event in your YouTube, Hernandez hardly dominated; she won the high jump only because a cisgender contestant who jumped the exact same height had a failed attempt and t ...[text shortened]... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_high_school_national_records_in_track_and_field
If I meet a guy wearing a dress at a cocktail party, I think I should at least know what I am chatting with. If he still has his junk, as far as I’m concerned, he is gaming every one of us. Let us say that that is not a level playing field? I might want to tell a dirty joke, but I will not know if I’m talking to… Hell, I don’t know what I’ll be talking to. Sounds to me like a little imbalance in societal relationships, does it not?
@no1marauder saidYou see here, “clear evidence” that marauder says here, would entail the necessity of knowing if someone has their junk or not. I would imagine I am a lot stronger with my junk than without. Those authorities that marauder so lovingly speaks about all the time,…. they might determine that a guy without his junk might be more fairly pitted against girls.
I read it and don't care. She has no expertise in the field and relied on submissions from anti-trans groups like the Women’s Liberation Front. Footnote 29 with no link. https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/n24/249/94/pdf/n2424994.pdf
I've stated it before and I'll say it again; before transgender girls and women are banned from sporting events there should be clea ...[text shortened]... e results. https://swimswam.com/ioc-releases-study-on-whether-trans-women-have-athletic-advantages/
For the record, this is not to say that average Joe would ever approve of a biological male against a biological woman.
As an aside, has everyone noticed that marauder likes to incorporate the word authorities as he renders his decisions? I myself am generally speaking about people and people.