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@wildgrass said
Again, huh?

The legal authority of states to enforce vaccination mandates has been here since 1905. Why's everybody pretending this is new?
The state? When was there ever a mandate from a state government to force a vaccination into an adult?

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@eladar said
The state? When was there ever a mandate from a state government to force a vaccination into an adult?
Plenty of times. Our country has a rich history of vaccine mandates back to at least 1902. Since the 1980's all states have compulsory vaccination mandates for schoolchildren. Don't they teach history anymore?

The original 7-2 SCOTUS decision was in 1905, reaffirmed in 1922 and invoked many times subsequently. It grants broad discretion to states and public health officials. It's the foundation of many public health laws.

Individual liberty is not absolute and is subject to the police power of the state.

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@wildgrass said
Plenty of times. Our country has a rich history of vaccine mandates back to at least 1902. Since the 1980's all states have compulsory vaccination mandates for schoolchildren. Don't they teach history anymore?

The original 7-2 SCOTUS decision was in 1905, reaffirmed in 1922 and invoked many times subsequently. It grants broad discretion to states and public health offici ...[text shortened]... health laws.

Individual liberty is not absolute and is subject to the police power of the state.
I said adults by a state government. The answer is never.

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@eladar said
I said adults by a state government. The answer is never.
Yeah no. You are mistaken. Where are you getting your information from?

The below Massachusetts law is the one upheld by the Supreme Court in 1905. This decision has stood ever since.
Massachusetts was one of only 11 states that had compulsory vaccination laws. Massachusetts law empowered the board of health of individual cities and towns to enforce mandatory, free vaccinations for adults over the age of 21 if the municipality determined it was necessary for the public health or safety of the community. Adults who refused were subject to a $5 monetary fine. In 1902, faced with an outbreak of smallpox, the Board of Health of the city of Cambridge, Massachusetts adopted a regulation ordering the vaccination or revaccination of all its inhabitants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts

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@wildgrass

I believe that was a city. There was no state wide mandate. Good luck finding your dictatorial state in US history.

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@eladar said
@wildgrass

I believe that was a city.
Massachusetts is a city? There were 10 other states with similar laws around the same time.

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@wildgrass said
Massachusetts is a city? There were 10 other states with similar laws around the same time.
Those were city mandates according to the case I read about.

You claim it was a state mandate. You are simply intellectually dishonest. You have been caught in a lie.

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@eladar said
Those were city mandates according to the case I read about.

You claim it was a state mandate. You are simply intellectually dishonest. You have been caught in a lie.
Massachusetts is a city?

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@wildgrass said
Massachusetts is a city?
The state was not mandating the vaccine. The city of Cambridge was mandating the vaccination.

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@eladar said
The state was not mandating the vaccine. The city of Cambridge was mandating the vaccination.
Why did he sue the state, then?

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@wildgrass said
Why did he sue the state, then?
Read up on the story. Are you incapable of reading of simply want to ignore the truth?

I am guessing you do not like the truth and prefer to pretend that lie is the truth.

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@eladar said
Read up on the story. Are you incapable of reading of simply want to ignore the truth?

I am guessing you do not like the truth and prefer to pretend that lie is the truth.
I have. The reason the lawsuit was filed against the state is it was a state law (giving public health officials the authority to mandate vaccinations).

Maybe this is just semantics? Cambridge carried out the mandate, but the authority was written by the state house and upheld by SCOTUS.

It was state law in 11 states.

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@wildgrass said
I have. The reason is it was a state law giving public health officials the authority to mandate vaccinations.

Maybe this is just semantics? Cambridge carried out the mandate, but the authority was written by the state house and upheld by SCOTUS.

It was state law in 11 states.
But it was not a state wide mandate, which is what you would like to see.

The fact is there has never been s state wide mandate requiring vaccinations for adults, never.

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This vaccine in Cambridge was for smallpox was it not? Death rate for smallpox was about 30 percent?

How does the covid death rate compare?

COVID from a historical perspective for deadly diseases should be much to do about nothing.

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@eladar said
But it was not a state wide mandate, which is what you would like to see.

The fact is there has never been s state wide mandate requiring vaccinations for adults, never.
I did not realize that's what you were thinking. I don't know why any politician would do that. They are not public health officials or medical doctors or in any position to make the call on that. The laws enacted by state governments granted the authority to order mandates. That mandate needs to come from someone who knows that what they are doing benefits public safety. That part seems obvious. Anyway its merely semantics. The state passed the law.

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