@no1marauder saidIt goes without saying that the UN does not have any legal authority to enforce anything. UN by definition is there to suggest or recommend solutions to problems. In this case the British Empire agreed with the recommended solutons and the Jews accepted. F..k the Arabs. Punto finale.
The UN General Assembly vote for partition had no legal authority and Arabs in Palestine were within their rights to reject such a lopsided, unworkable plan. The map was ridiculous; the States were divided into three separate chunks of land for each "State", barely touching each other. https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-208958/
Moreover, it would have lef ...[text shortened]... https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Partition-and-lead-up-to-violence.pdf
I know your solution would be F the Jews.
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Your delusion is that you appear to be insistent that we aren't talking about imperialism.
As I have tried to explain numerous times, your mindset is typical of someone who has muddled up particular events with universal principles. You aren't alone as the exploitation of this confusion forms the basis of the propagandistic manipulation of the masses.
@no1marauder saidAll sounds good and nothing was violated .. a national home for the Jews was established and nothing was done to prejudice the rights of anyone.
You keep repeating this gross historical error no matter how many times you are corrected. No, Palestine did not become a British Overseas Territory after WWI:
"The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to ...[text shortened]... British couldn't do "whatever they pleased with it", they were limited by the terms of the Mandate.
What is the problem ?
@beardmusic saidWhat ?? Ok .. I think you should get off the drugs.
@Rajk999
Your delusion is that you appear to be insistent that we aren't talking about imperialism.
As I have tried to explain numerous times, your mindset is typical of someone who has muddled up particular events with universal principles. You aren't alone as the exploitation of this confusion forms the basis of the propagandistic manipulation of the masses.
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Ask yourself what have I read about propaganda? Do I know how it works? Have you read Bernays or Lippmann? If not then the chances are that whilst you happily believe that everyone else who happens to disagree with you has fallen for propaganda you yourself are in it's grip without realizing it.
@beardmusic saidNot interested. I have read the history of that region. If you are interested in discussing that then Im in, otherwise good luck.
@Rajk999
Ask yourself what have I read about propaganda? Do I know how it works? Have you read Bernays or Lippmann? If not then the chances are that whilst you happily believe that everyone else who happens to disagree with you has fallen for propaganda you yourself are in it's grip without realizing it.
So far we have established the following :
Palestine was a British Overseas Territory.
Arabs at that time owned nothing, except the piece of land on which they lived. Jews owned land as well.
The British/UN partitioned it and it became two separate countries.
There was a war and the Arabs lost.
Thats it. Its not rocket science, neither do I need to hear your propaganda.
@Rajk999 saidCompletely and irrevocably WRONG. 😆
Governmental authority comes if you are a conquered people.
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@Rajk999
Obviously you don't! You're immune! You don't have to have read about it - you know your own mind!
My final point: How can we possibly discuss whether something is 'imperialism' or not when we can't even agree on a basic definition on what it is we are trying to talk about? Hence the fact we're going round in circles.
@spruce112358 saidCall it wrong all you like but a conquered people still have to be governed.
Completely and irrevocably WRONG. 😆
Tough if they dont like it.
@Rajk999 saidAre you out of your bleeping mind...? let me get your quote right
All sounds good and nothing was violated .. a national home for the Jews was established and nothing was done to prejudice the rights of anyone.
What is the problem ?
@Rajk999 said " a national home for the Jews was established and nothing was done to prejudice the rights of anyone."
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Funny, you never impressed me as being a stupid man.
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@Rajk999 saidHow many times do you have to be given this history lesson? The British Empire did not partition Palestine neither did the UN. The GA passed a non-binding resolution suggesting a partition plan that was never implemented. The British announced they were leaving at a certain date; they took no steps to partition the territory. The Zionists continued their ongoing war and grabbed as much of Palestine as they could before and after the establishment of Israel.
It goes without saying that the UN does not have any legal authority to enforce anything. UN by definition is there to suggest or recommend solutions to problems. In this case the British Empire agreed with the recommended solutons and the Jews accepted. F..k the Arabs. Punto finale.
I know your solution would be F the Jews.
You are stubborn idiot and/or a compulsive liar to keep trying to ignore these historical facts.
@Rajk999 saidSee, Raj, you are wrong about this in a way that makes you CENTURIES out of date, man. 😆
Call it wrong all you like but a conquered people still have to be governed.
Tough if they dont like it.
John Locke. "...no one can be put out of this Estate, and subjected to the Political Power of another, without his own Consent."
The Declaration of Independence. "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..."
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 21. "The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government;" 😆
Your viewpoint is a complete anachronism. Almost nobody, in good faith, believes what you are suggesting anymore.
@Earl-of-Trumps saidArabs and Jews could have lived in peace in Palestine if the 1947 partition plan was accepted. Whose rights were violated.
Are you out of your bleeping mind...? let me get your quote right
@Rajk999 said " a national home for the Jews was established and nothing was done to prejudice the rights of anyone."
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Funny, you never impressed me as being a stupid man.
Why enter a discussion just to post an insult, without making a point?
The insult is fine but make the point as well.
@spruce112358 saidSo because of some moron called John Locke the Jews had to live in subjection under the Arabs? Lol .. you are a funny man. Nobody wants to live among those sick people.
See, Raj, you are wrong about this in a way that makes you CENTURIES out of date, man. 😆
John Locke. "...no one can be put out of this Estate, and subjected to the Political Power of another, without his own Consent."
The Declaration of Independence. "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the ...[text shortened]... t is a complete anachronism. Almost nobody, in good faith, believes what you are suggesting anymore.
You can take your theoretical garbage and stuff it you know where, and when you come down to the real world we can continue the discussion.
@Rajk999 saidRaj, I'm afraid you are the one living in the 18th century. 😆
So because of some moron called John Locke the Jews had to live in subjection under the Arabs? Lol .. you are a funny man. Nobody wants to live among those sick people.
You can take your theoretical garbage and stuff it you know where, and when you come down to the real world we can continue the discussion.
You've got to pull yourself out of that time period to make any sense.