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http://jucameron.wordpress.com/2010/03/02/the-vincennes-incident/
All honest Citenzens would be aghast at this, comments please.
All honest Citenzens would be aghast at this, comments please.
September 07, 1989|BY LARS-ERIK NELSON
WASHINGTON — After the USS Vincennes mistakenly shot down an Iranian Airbus in the summer of 1988, killing 290 people, the Navy investigated its seeming act of military incompetence and concluded, in the words of Adm. William Crowe:
"Iran must bear the principal responsibility for the tragedy."
Yes, there were minor mistakes aboard the Vincennes in the heat of battle, the Navy said, but the Iranians were criminally negligent in sending the civilian airliner over a battle zone. The plane was off the normal commercial air-corridor. The Vincennes was under a joint attack by Iranian gunboats and military forces. Its commander, Capt. Will Rogers III, had a duty to shoot in self-defense to protect his ship and crew.
Originally posted by utherpendragonYou are quoting obsolete and incorrect information. Try reading this article from the US Naval Institute which quotes Captain Carlson from the USS Sides (which was nearby):
[quote]September 07, 1989|BY LARS-ERIK NELSON
WASHINGTON — After the USS Vincennes mistakenly shot down an Iranian Airbus in the summer of 1988, killing 290 people, the Navy investigated its seeming act of military incompetence and concluded, in the words of Adm. William Crowe:
"Iran must bear the principal responsibility for the tragedy."
...[text shortened]...
http://articles.philly.com/1989-09-07/news/26100770_1_robo-cruiser-uss-sides-uss-vincennes
Originally posted by skipper2666Of course people should be aghast at it. It was a horrific tragedy.
http://jucameron.wordpress.com/2010/03/02/the-vincennes-incident/
All honest Citenzens would be aghast at this, comments please.
Originally posted by sh76Yes! It was a different government behind the Lockerbie incident.
Of course people should be aghast at it. It was a horrific tragedy.
It was a mistake, however, and the US paid over $60 million in compensation and took responsibility.
Any comparisons to Lockerbie, where a civilian airliner was specifically targeted, are wrong.
Originally posted by utherpendragonThis happens every day.......... don't you understand that?
This happened in 1988 ?
Originally posted by skipper2666If any other country had killed the number of American citizens the Israelis had then we would have already invaded.
This happens every day.......... don't you understand that?
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=American+troops+shooting+civilians+iraq&page=1
We are helping to pay for it and will continue to pay for it in so many different ways.
Wake up!!
Originally posted by sh76Spouting utter hogwash again...
Of course people should be aghast at it. It was a horrific tragedy.
It was a mistake, however, and the US paid over $60 million in compensation and took responsibility.
Any comparisons to Lockerbie, where a civilian airliner was specifically targeted, are wrong.
Originally posted by shavixmirWhat you didn't mention is that the ship was actively engaged in combat with Iranian forces at the time.
Spouting utter hogwash again...
Didn't Captain Rogers, after blowing up a passenger flight, receive an award?
Yup...
[b]From Wiki (although I've heard about this sorry tale since the 1980's):
"Rogers remained in command of the USS Vincennes until May 27, 1989.[13] In 1990, President George H. W. Bush awarded Capt. Rogers the Legion of Merit dec
And you wonder why everyone hates you?
Sweet Jesus preserve us.[/b]
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperI suggest you read the link I provided above from the US Naval Institute: http://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/1993-08/vincennes-case-study
What you didn't mention is that the ship was actively engaged in combat with Iranian forces at the time.
Whether it was an understandable accident or the result of negligence from either side, I will reserve judgment because I wasn't there and I don't know anything about the Navy's policies and procedures at the time, or the equipment th The fact that someone of your character hates me is the greatest compliment you can pay.
Originally posted by no1marauderI'll read the report later on when I have time, as I said I haven't ruled out negligence as a factor.
I suggest you read the link I provided above from the US Naval Institute: http://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/1993-08/vincennes-case-study
The jetliner was a scheduled civilian flight, flying in a standard commercial zone and his transponder was broadcasting the code of a commercial airliner:
According to Admiral Fogarty's re about as far from "exceptionally meritorious conduct" as an officer in the USN can get.