Arrests of 475 illegals in Georgia..good discussion?

@no1marauder said
Yes, you define it wrong in one second all the time.

Here is the definition of illegal. In one second. The definition is ….‘illegal’.

@Mott-The-Hoople said
Millions of Americans are going to be out of a country if you left wing nuts continue.
Thank God for Trump.

This will go right over marauder head. He only hears what he wants to hear. I have nailed him on the fact that some things that are illegal are OK as far as he’s concerned, as he decides which illegal things are OK , and which illegal things are not OK. It is giving me a headache.

@AverageJoe1 said
You are off topic. Wages? I am talking about people who are not citizens taking jobs away from people who are citizens. We just take care of themselves, do they not. If I look at two guys one illegal in one night, the one I might hire might be the one who will take the less money. Common sense. So if you, K Max, let that illegal apply for that job, you are letting that il ...[text shortened]... r the citizen for the same job. Do you think your man should get the job and my man not get the job?

So in the past 50 years, how many citizens were doing the work of undocumented and illegal workers?

@AverageJoe1 said
Interesting. You are saying that,in that case, to allow for something that is wrong or illegal, in order to save the situation.
I hope you are saying that, so that I can later ask you if SCOTUS should overlook that the tariffs are flat illegal, but let us allow them….’we should not cut off the nose to spite the face.” Let Trump levy taxes!

Same thing.

The question is what should be done NOW. Your "solution" makes the US far worse off. And there's nothing in the law that requires all undocumented workers to be deported. So we can follow the law and still avoid the negative consequences this foolish raid might cause.

I get you want to change the subject, but the law is not flexible as regards tariffs. It is up to Congress, not the President, to set them.

@no1marauder said
Actually, average wages are increasing at a fairly healthy rate according to the latest BLS figures:

"Average hourly earnings for all employees on private nonfarm payrolls rose by 10 cents, or 0.3 percent, to $36.53 in August. Over the past 12 months, average hourly earnings have increased by 3.7 percent. In August, average hourly earnings of private-sector production ...[text shortened]... ulation ratio despite rising wages shows that current policies are exacerbating the worker shortage.

Averages can hide a lot. Is there a statistic for farm workers? These wages seem high for the reputation America has in paying low minimum wages.

@kmax87 said
Averages can hide a lot. Is there a statistic for farm workers? These wages seem high for the reputation America has in paying low minimum wages.

These stats are from the May 2025 report from the US Department of Agriculture:

"Farm operators paid their hired workers an average gross wage of $19.52 per
hour during the April 2025 reference week, up 3 percent from the April 2024
reference week. Field workers received an average of $18.58 per hour, up 2
percent. Livestock workers earned $18.15 per hour, up 4 percent. The field
and livestock worker combined gross wage rate, at $18.43 per hour, was up 3
percent from the 2024 reference week. Hired laborers worked an average of
40.8 hours during the April 2025 reference week, up slightly from the hours
worked during the April 2024 reference week. "

https://downloads.usda.library.cornell.edu/usda-esmis/files/x920fw89s/0v839z45n/sx61gj70t/fmla0525.txt

@AverageJoe1 said
This will go right over marauder head. He only hears what he wants to hear. I have nailed him on the fact that some things that are illegal are OK as far as he’s concerned, as he decides which illegal things are OK , and which illegal things are not OK. It is giving me a headache.

I never said it was "OK".

There's a concept in economic called "sunk costs". It's explained here:

"A sunk cost expense refers to the loss of time, money, or effort, which you can't get back. If you let sunk costs influence your future decisions, even when it's not in your best interest, you may run into problems."

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/sunkcost.asp

That's what you are doing - letting a "cost" that cannot be recovered negatively influence a future decision to the country's detriment.

Here we have some folks who entered the country illegally, and some who overstayed their visa and some working when their visas don't technically allow them to work. They are all doing necessary work at a large scale project which, when completed, will provide an estimated 8,500 jobs. A reasonable solution would be to let them finish their work unless they are some threat. An unreasonable non-solution is to throw them out of the country causing delays or even possible cancellation of the project.

@kmax87 said
So in the past 50 years, how many citizens were doing the work of undocumented and illegal workers?

Every citizen that was employed…duh

@no1marauder said
I never said it was "OK".

There's a concept in economic called "sunk costs". It's explained here:

"A sunk cost expense refers to the loss of time, money, or effort, which you can't get back. If you let sunk costs influence your future decisions, even when it's not in your best interest, you may run into problems."

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/sunkcost.as ...[text shortened]... ion is to throw them out of the country causing delays or even possible cancellation of the project.

It is certainly OK to argue what is reasonable, being reasonable, and common sense our mainstays. So, discussed common sense, and reasonable, which you are doing well, or discuss what is legal and what is not legal. They are not connected. So where are you going with this. It sounds to me like you are going to pick and choose what illegalities are acceptable, and what illegalities, such as the tariffs, , to you, are not acceptable.?
Let us stipulate that those of the socialistic mindset would be far more liberal with their thinking of what illegalitiesshould be acceptable.. and admit that you are also very protective of l illegals remaining in this country. Susan actually said that they are our brothers, and something to the effect that it is the moral thing to do. Geez

@AverageJoe1 said
It is certainly OK to argue what is reasonable, being reasonable, and common sense our mainstays. So, discussed common sense, and reasonable, which you are doing well, or discuss what is legal and what is not legal. They are not connected. So where are you going with this. It sounds to me like you are going to pick and choose what illegalities are acceptable, and what ill ...[text shortened]... aid that they are our brothers, and something to the effect that it is the moral thing to do. Geez

I'm protective of this country and don't like to see it do stupid things that will harm it.

Throwing out all undocumented immigrants, regardless of the law and regardless of the economic harm that it would do to the US simply to fulfill a white nationalist agenda is a stupid thing.

@no1marauder said
I'm protective of this country and don't like to see it do stupid things that will harm it.

Throwing out all undocumented immigrants, regardless of the law and regardless of the economic harm that it would do to the US simply to fulfill a white nationalist agenda is a stupid thing.

Yeah, I wonder just how many of those white nationalists ASSSHOLES would do ANY of the jobs lost by arrest of immigrants?

@sonhouse said
Yeah, I wonder just how many of those white nationalists ASSSHOLES would do ANY of the jobs lost by arrest of immigrants?

I have never wondered that and wonder why you would wonder it. Is it just part of your and marauder’s smoke screen that you throw up all over the place. What are you talking about?

@AverageJoe1 said
You are correct. Anybody in the world would want to work in this country. These posts are about the fact people that you strangely call undocumented, are not citizens of our country, come here and take away the jobs that should be taken by the citizens of our country. I could not say it more simple. Could you respond to that one statement?

Would you do any of those jobs?

@Suzianne said
Would you do any of those jobs?

I did as a teenager, and bound to never do those kinds of jobs again. Certainly that would not violate one of your principles, would it.

@Suzianne said
Would you do any of those jobs?

You damned right and am not above doing it now. My body would severely limit what I can do now tho.

First thing you libs need to learn is hard work will not harm you, will probaby help you.

Next you need to learn you cant start off at the top.