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BC, BCE, AD and CE: a petty hate

BC, BCE, AD and CE: a petty hate

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shavixmir
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Some history (stolen as I’m too lazy to pen it myself) :

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Era

Common Era (CE) and Before the Common Era (BCE) are year notations for the Gregorian calendar (and its predecessor, the Julian calendar), the world's most widely used calendar era. Common Era and Before the Common Era are alternatives to the original Anno Domini (AD) and Before Christ (BC) notations used for the same calendar era. The two notation systems are numerically equivalent: "2023 CE" and "AD 2023" each describe the current year; "400 BCE" and "400 BC" are the same year.

The expression can be traced back to 1615, when it first appears in a book by Johannes Kepler as the Latin: annus aerae nostrae vulgaris (year of our common era), and to 1635 in English as "Vulgar Era". The term "Common Era" can be found in English as early as 1708, and became more widely used in the mid-19th century by Jewish religious scholars. Since the later 20th century, BCE and CE have become popular in academic and scientific publications because BCE and CE are religiously neutral terms. They are used by others who wish to be sensitive to non-Christians by not referring to Jesus, the center figure of Christianity, especially via the religious terms "Christ" and Dominus ("Lord"😉 utilized by the other abbreviations.


Now, I’m as atheist as the next guy, but… WTF!
Whether you are using CE or AD… it’s still based on Jesus’ time line. Changing the abbreviation isn’t going to change that fact.

Indeed, trying to cover up the origin is plastering over the historic context of what it is and where it came from. And no matter your religious persuation, why the hell would you do that?

Bloody well annoys me.

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It's too widespread to get rid of it now, but I'd love to see the calendar modernised, it's bugged me since I was a kid. 4 quarters of 13 weeks (4,4,5) plus a non-calendar holiday (2 in leap years) would make life easier. Or maybe 6-day weeks, or 8-day weeks with the extra day being a non-working day. I'm sure we could improve on the old designs.

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Today's date is 4. Vendémiaire, CCXXXII. Or perhaps it would be if Napoleon had won the world.

The United Federation of Planets star date system for the win!!!

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Calendars are arbitrary conventions. According to the Jewish calendar, today’s date is Tishrei 10, 5784

Ya like that better?


https://www.chabad.org/calendar/view/day.asp?tdate=9-25-2023

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@soothfast said
Today's date is 4. Vendémiaire, CCXXXII. Or perhaps it would be if Napoleon had won the world.

The United Federation of Planets star date system for the win!!!
Okay, I'll ask.

So what is StarDate based on?

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@suzianne said
Okay, I'll ask.

So what is StarDate based on?
Kirk's third orgasm with an alien.

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@moonbus said
@shavixmir

Calendars are arbitrary conventions. According to the Jewish calendar, today’s date is Tishrei 10, 5784

Ya like that better?


https://www.chabad.org/calendar/view/day.asp?tdate=9-25-2023
Oh. I'm all for the Christian calender. I mean, the dates have got to start somewhere and I'm used to it.

It's the CE and BCE that I object to. Because it uses the exact same bloody dates.

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@suzianne said
Okay, I'll ask.

So what is StarDate based on?
It's loosely based on the Julian calendar, which astronomers still use (because the Gregorian calendar has a gap of several days in it). It all goes back to Gene Roddenberry, of course ...

https://screenrant.com/star-trek-stardates-explained-calculation-meaning/

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@shavixmir said
Oh. I'm all for the Christian calender. I mean, the dates have got to start somewhere and I'm used to it.

It's the CE and BCE that I object to. Because it uses the exact same bloody dates.
Well then, I think VE, for vulgar era, pretty well describes where (when) we are now, don't you?

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@moonbus
The libs want to CHANGE SOMETHING ELSE?? Can't you change and modify all of your kids first, and THEN change this a bit later. If you try to change our world with everything all at once, you may overload the liberal system.

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@shavixmir

I just recently heard this term used by a professor from Canada. It was on a documentary about the Great Lakes. I don't like it. It's not needed.

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@shavixmir said
Some history (stolen as I’m too lazy to pen it myself) :

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Era

[quote]Common Era (CE) and Before the Common Era (BCE) are year notations for the Gregorian calendar (and its predecessor, the Julian calendar), the world's most widely used calendar era. Common Era and Before the Common Era are alternatives to the original Anno Domini ...[text shortened]... And no matter your religious persuation, why the hell would you do that?

Bloody well annoys me.
now you see why I dont like liberalism…they live in s pretend world.

If you dont believe in God, you might want to think about why, with all the geniuses in maths, they still cannot figure out Gods time scheme.

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@mott-the-hoople said
now you see why I dont like liberalism…they live in s pretend world.

If you dont believe in God, you might want to think about why, with all the geniuses in maths, they still cannot figure out Gods time scheme.
The terms CE and BCE stem from the 17th century

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@shavixmir said
The terms CE and BCE stem from the 17th century
and?

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@shavixmir said
Some history (stolen as I’m too lazy to pen it myself) :

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Era

[quote]Common Era (CE) and Before the Common Era (BCE) are year notations for the Gregorian calendar (and its predecessor, the Julian calendar), the world's most widely used calendar era. Common Era and Before the Common Era are alternatives to the original Anno Domini ...[text shortened]... And no matter your religious persuation, why the hell would you do that?

Bloody well annoys me.
As an agnostic I do find it a bit hilarious to be living ‘in the year of some idiots lord’ isn’t their geological pinpoint of time we can count from.
AD is meaningless to anyone not raised in the Christian tradition I’d rather see a universally acceptable calendar

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