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  1. 11 Aug '12 15:21
    Some people can see, others can't. We see it in chess. We see it if we actually have a gift in some area. Some people have the gift to see what is going on, others are without a clue.

    Are there people who are permanently blind? Of those who are not, how much time is required to put in the work to see? Of those who are gifted, how much time do they need to see?

    Some would say that others are stupid, but I don't think it is stupidity at all, simply blind. Why put down people simply because they are blind? Yet why put money into people who are hopelessly blind? Seems like a total waste of public funds to me.
  2. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    02 Oct '12 00:37
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Some people can see, others can't. We see it in chess. We see it if we actually have a gift in some area. Some people have the gift to see what is going on, others are without a clue...
    ...Are there people who are permanently blind? Of those who are not, how much time is required to put in the work to see? Of those who are gifted, how much time do they need to see?

    Some would say that others are stupid, but I don't think it is stupidity at all, simply blind. Why put down people simply because they are blind? Yet why put money into people who are hopelessly blind? Seems like a total waste of public funds to me.


    Do you think no public money should be used for services and support for people with disability? Or are you saying that only "gifted" disabled people should be able to benefit, while "stupid" disabled people should not?
  3. 02 Oct '12 11:45
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Some people can see, others can't. We see it in chess. We see it if we actually have a gift in some area. Some people have the gift to see what is going on, others are without a clue.

    Are there people who are permanently blind? Of those who are not, how much time is required to put in the work to see? Of those who are gifted, how much time do they nee ...[text shortened]... t money into people who are hopelessly blind? Seems like a total waste of public funds to me.
    Sorry, I can't understand a word of what you are saying.

    Can I have some money please?
  4. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    02 Oct '12 11:52
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Some people can see, others can't. We see it in chess. We see it if we actually have a gift in some area. Some people have the gift to see what is going on, others are without a clue.

    Are there people who are permanently blind? Of those who are not, how much time is required to put in the work to see? Of those who are gifted, how much time do they nee ...[text shortened]... t money into people who are hopelessly blind? Seems like a total waste of public funds to me.
    So which group of social malcontents would you deprive of funds in this round comrade?...
  5. 02 Oct '12 11:55
    Originally posted by Eladar
    We see it if we actually have a gift in some area.
    Actually, we don't.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
  6. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    02 Oct '12 12:07
    Eladar is trying to position himself for the You Thought Alf Garnett Was Bad Award in the Flaming Tomatoes later this year.
  7. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    02 Oct '12 12:29 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by FMF
    Eladar is trying to position himself for the You Thought Alf Garnett Was Bad Award in the Flaming Tomatoes later this year.
    Alf at least made you laugh...

    Edit: maybe I should read his posts with Alf's voice...
  8. 02 Oct '12 13:42
    Originally posted by FMF
    Eladar is trying to position himself for the You Thought Alf Garnett Was Bad Award in the Flaming Tomatoes later this year.
    I think Eladar would know Him better as Archie bunker.
  9. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    02 Oct '12 14:45
    Originally posted by kevcvs57
    I think Eladar would know Him better as Archie bunker.
    I was sticking my euroweenie chin out to see if Eladar would tell me to bounce my ball on it.
  10. 02 Oct '12 15:08 / 1 edit
    I was thinking more along the lines of the Germans and their education model. In the US we try to give everyone the same education, if they are intellegent or not, they all get the same shot. We end up spending a ton of money needlessly.

    Public funds are not limitless. It seems to me that the responsible thing to do is to spend money wisely.
  11. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    02 Oct '12 15:13 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Eladar
    I was thinking more along the lines of the Germans and their education model. In the US we try to give everyone the same education, if they are intellegent or not, they all get the same shot. We end up spending a ton of money needlessly.

    Public funds are not limitless. It seems to me that the responsible thing to do is to spend money wisely.
    So in your OP you argue that it's a total waste of public funds to help disabled people who are not "gifted" in some way?

    As far as I know, the only kind of Germans who'd say something like "why put money into people who are hopelessly blind? Seems like a total waste of public funds to me" would be neo-Nazis.
  12. 02 Oct '12 15:18
    Originally posted by Eladar
    I was thinking more along the lines of the Germans and their education model. In the US we try to give everyone the same education, if they are intellegent or not, they all get the same shot. We end up spending a ton of money needlessly.

    Public funds are not limitless. It seems to me that the responsible thing to do is to spend money wisely.
    So are you suggesting an IQ test at pre-school age and leave the bottom halve to rot? or are you suggesting that resources be targeted at those who need the most support in order to attain a viable level of education?
  13. 02 Oct '12 15:20
    Originally posted by FMF
    I was sticking my euroweenie chin out to see if Eladar would tell me to bounce my ball on it.
    Did you just say you want Eladar to bounce his balls on your chin? You need to take that to an online sex site!!!
  14. 02 Oct '12 15:24
    Originally posted by joe beyser
    Did you just say you want Eladar to bounce his balls on your chin? You need to take that to an online sex site!!!
    We call it 'keepy uppy'
  15. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    02 Oct '12 15:25
    Originally posted by joe beyser
    Did you just say you want Eladar to bounce his balls on your chin? You need to take that to an online sex site!!!
    For several years here it was always clear when I had caught Eladar out by digging up a quote of his or if I had asked him a question that got to the very core of his contradiction or his misanthropy; he would tell me 'to go bounce my ball'.