@shavixmir saidYeah apart from the passport thing and easy access to the Corona virus nothing on your list has diddly squat to do with eu membership and i speak as a tear stained remoaner.
I don’t know if you’ve noticed lately, but outside the EU is a passport and control driven nightmare with crappy architecture and worse food.
Obviously the EU has its fair share of problems: Poland, Hungary, the English.
But in general we work less hours a week, have longer holidays, have the Alps, the best food, greatest buildings and Incan drive for days upon days through various countries without drawing a passport and collecting corona wherever I wish.
Plus I think ghost is right there will be a deal containing the bare bones of what business requires on both sides of the channel.
@kevcvs57 saidWorking less hours and having longer holidays surely does have something to do with EU membership, since it is legally mandated by Directive 2003/88/EC.
Yeah apart from the passport thing and easy access to the Corona virus nothing on your list has diddly squat to do with eu membership and i speak as a tear stained remoaner.
Needless to say, the initial 1993 version of that directive was angrily denounced by our then employment secretary, David Hunt:
"It is a flagrant abuse of Community rules. It has been brought forward as such simply to allow majority voting – a ploy to smuggle through part of the Social Chapter by the back door. The UK strongly opposes any attempt to tell people that they can no longer work the hours they want."
@teinosuke saidAre we going to pretend that all the eu members follow these rules. There is an opt out from the European working hours directive that your employer can give you the ‘option’ of exercising.
Working less hours and having longer holidays surely does have something to do with EU membership, since it is legally mandated by Directive 2003/88/EC.
Needless to say, the initial 1993 version of that directive was angrily denounced by our then employment secretary, David Hunt:
"It is a flagrant abuse of Community rules. It has been brought forward as such simply to ...[text shortened]... he UK strongly opposes any attempt to tell people that they can no longer work the hours they want."
People all over Europe opt out because they need the extra hours to survive. Until the EU enforces a ‘living’ wage on all employers in all its member states it’s no more than a feel good paper exercise. As for holidays I work for one of the meaner multinationals and I get 28days. I don’t know what EU member states are required to give their workers but that’s about average for the uk and we’ve been in the eu for quite a while now.
@kevcvs57 saidIt will indeed be a deal that nobody is entirely happy with, but a deal all the same.
Yeah apart from the passport thing and easy access to the Corona virus nothing on your list has diddly squat to do with eu membership and i speak as a tear stained remoaner.
Plus I think ghost is right there will be a deal containing the bare bones of what business requires on both sides of the channel.
The EU will make its biggest compromise in regards to fisheries (once it wakes up and smells lobster).
@ghost-of-a-duke saidOh oh herring we go again
It will indeed be a deal that nobody is entirely happy with, but a deal all the same.
The EU will make its biggest compromise in regards to fisheries (once it wakes up and smells lobster).
Have the English left yet?
Oh. Sort of.
Yeah. It looks like January’s gonna be a right old hoot.
What with Covid, starving children being denied food by tories and the only signed trade deal being with Japan... which forces Britain to adopt a no state aid stance...
And this is one of the brexit negotiation sticking points... the Tories say they want the freedom to hand out state aid and the EU says no... funnily enough, the Tories were the party that convinced the EU to adopt the no state aid stance in the first place...
And now the deal with Japan forces them into exactly that which they find offensive in the EU...
And in the EU the trade deal with Japan was better...
Yeah, January’s looking just grand.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI will post the link again.
Psst, there will be a deal in the dying seconds.
Keep it under your hat.
Essential post-Brexit freight software is unlikely to be ready on time for 1 January, those building it have warned.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54706263
This technology is essential to manage freight if there IS a deal. And it won't be ready in time.
I really hope you are right and there will be a deal of sorts as I have family and many friends in the UK.
@biffo-konker saidI think, when it comes down to it, both sides 'need' a deal.
I will post the link again.
Essential post-Brexit freight software is unlikely to be ready on time for 1 January, those building it have warned.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54706263
This technology is essential to manage freight if there IS a deal. And it won't be ready in time.
I really hope you are right and there will be a deal of sorts as I have family and many friends in the UK.
It is this shared basic need that will translate into some last minute agreement.