1. Donationrwingett
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    01 Aug '09 14:22
    Where's the love? Michael Moore is a true American hero.

    As we're both from Michigan, perhaps I get a chance to follow his career more closely than some of you misinformed clods. One of the interesting things he's been spending a lot of his time on these days is the Traverse City Film Festival, which he co-founded in 2005. It's turned into quite an event.
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    01 Aug '09 15:37
    Originally posted by rwingett
    OK, folks, Michael Moore's new movie is due out this fall. It looks like he's going for the whole enchilada this time. No more dealing with mere symptoms, this time he's going for the very disease itself: capitalism. I'll be there on opening day. Will you?

    http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/capitalismalovestory/
    no.

    you can criticize it, you can call it whatever you want to call it, but the truth is that without capitalism people would be even worse.

    there is no perfect system, and blaming capitalism for all the world's problems won't give you one.
  3. Donationrwingett
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    01 Aug '09 15:50
    Originally posted by generalissimo
    no.

    you can criticize it, you can call it whatever you want to call it, but the truth is that without capitalism people would be even worse.

    there is no perfect system, and blaming capitalism for all the world's problems won't give you one.
    Capitalism had its moment in the sun. It fulfilled its historic role of building up the means of production. But its time has come and gone, its time to let go and move on.
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    01 Aug '09 18:36
    Originally posted by FMF
    No. I will just wait and then download it illegally.
    Haha
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    01 Aug '09 19:21
    Originally posted by rwingett
    OK, folks, Michael Moore's new movie is due out this fall. It looks like he's going for the whole enchilada this time. No more dealing with mere symptoms, this time he's going for the very disease itself: capitalism. I'll be there on opening day. Will you?

    http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/capitalismalovestory/
    If it's as funny as the last film - yes.

    Will it make me a socialist sympathiser - no.
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    01 Aug '09 19:22
    Originally posted by rwingett
    Capitalism had its moment in the sun. It fulfilled its historic role of building up the means of production. But its time has come and gone, its time to let go and move on.
    Move back to the retarded world of Marxism you mean?
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    01 Aug '09 20:13
    Originally posted by whodey
    Really its all that he is good at. Don't be so hard on him.

    So what would you have him do if it were up to you? How would you remove the capitalistic veil from the eyes of the masses? How would you preach the gospel of the social utopia?
    With the devil? I don't know.
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    02 Aug '09 03:111 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    Picture an ugly over weight foul mouthed funny guy.....with glasses to boot.
    Your proclivity towards making insulting remarks about the personal appearance of people you disgree with ( e.g. "ugly", "reptillian" ) makes it tricky guessing which grade of junior high school you're in.
  9. Donationrwingett
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    02 Aug '09 04:00
    Originally posted by divegeester
    Move back to the retarded world of Marxism you mean?
    No, that isn't what I mean. I think you're perfectly aware that isn't what I mean.
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    02 Aug '09 04:13
    Originally posted by FMF
    Your proclivity towards making insulting remarks about the personal appearance of people you disgree with ( e.g. "ugly", "reptillian" ) makes it tricky guessing which grade of junior high school you're in.
    No, just young at heart. 😛
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    02 Aug '09 04:201 edit
    Originally posted by rwingett
    No, that isn't what I mean. I think you're perfectly aware that isn't what I mean.
    Sounded like what you meant. You have some other kind of magic economic system in mind?
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    02 Aug '09 07:18
    Originally posted by rwingett
    Capitalism had its moment in the sun. It fulfilled its historic role of building up the means of production. But its time has come and gone, its time to let go and move on.
    I'm not sure why you think history should follow some sort of script. What was the purpose of the collapse of Rome, the Dark Ages, and feudalism?

    Speaking of which, I would classify socialism as more of a throwback -- "i exist, my lord, under your protection. Provide for me all my daily needs, and I will labor faithfully for you."

    Capitalism and democracy are advances because they allow the maximum of free choice -- coupled with the maximum of responsibility.
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    02 Aug '09 07:21
    Originally posted by rwingett
    No, that isn't what I mean. I think you're perfectly aware that isn't what I mean.
    That sounds exactly what you mean. I stated before you sound like a communist and stand by it. Why hide it? Admit it.
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    02 Aug '09 07:271 edit
    Originally posted by spruce112358
    Capitalism and democracy are advances because they allow the maximum of free choice -- coupled with the maximum of responsibility.
    "Capitalism" and democracy are not synonymous. Indeed, one can argue that democracy developed in order to restrain and moderate capitalism and protect citizens from it. In dictatorship-infested Latin America, "capitalism" did very well for itself, even with their gaols full of democracy advocates. "Capitalism" and democracy are in some ways rival models for governance - especially where "capitalism" has mutated into "corporatism" and democracy has been seriously diminished, undermined or perhaps even eclipsed.
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    02 Aug '09 08:24
    Originally posted by FMF
    No. I will just wait and then download it illegally.
    Steal This Film!
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