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  1. 21 Jan '17 04:52
    Originally posted by whodey
    William McCovey was pardoned for tax evasion. For those who don't know, he was a baseball player who made around $80,000 in in autographs and such.

    So does this send message that the tax laws are too harsh or does it send the message that the President of the US simply enjoys showing partiality to certain Americans over others?
    The practice of not reporting the income of these shows and memorabilia had been common for decades and the IRS had mostly looked the other way unless cases fell into their lap. But it became so widespread it became a serious problem and the IRS decided they needed to make a few examples to send a message, and apparently worked. McCovey was reportedly very cooperative where he could have made the investigation extremely difficult - I don't remember the details. And he was very contrite to point that the prosecution itself felt bad that he was getting nailed when so many less savory players were getting away with it. But the message was sent and the practice has been reduced considerably. My understanding is that the investigators and prosecutors themselves recommended the pardon.
  2. 21 Jan '17 21:14 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by no1marauder to Vivify
    Then you need glasses.

    Russian "embasadors" weren't thrown out over the Clinton e-mails; Russian intelligence agents engaged in trying to affect the US election were.

    Manning was not "pardoned"; her sentence was commuted. She will have served almost 7 years, which is virtually unprecedented for a whistle blower (which is what she was, not a spy).
    "Then you need glasses."
    --No1Marauder (to Vivify)

    I don't know anything about the condition of his eyesight, but Vivify needs a functioning brain.
  3. Standard member Deputy Daddy
    Willing to Learn
    22 Jan '17 03:56
    Treason during war time is punishable by death. He is very lucky to have not faced the firing squad or the needle.
  4. 22 Jan '17 06:10
    Originally posted by Deputy Daddy
    Treason during war time is punishable by death. He is very lucky to have not faced the firing squad or the needle.
    The elements of treason weren't present in her case. An element is to "levy war against the states or adhere to their enemies." That an act, lawful or not, aids an enemy is not enough. Her intent to war against the US or join an enemy was required. That wasn't her intent.
  5. 26 Jan '17 03:27

    "Chelsea Manning did the right thing. Finally, Barack Obama has too."
    --Trevor Timm (17 January 2017)

    "In response, the government quite literally tried to destroy her. Although the
    government admitted that no one was harmed because of her disclosures, Chelsea
    suffered beyond what is imaginable for most people.

    She was held incommunicado during pre-trial confinement, so that the American
    people could not hear her voice and the explanation for what she did. She was then,
    according to the UN special rapporteur on torture, treated in a “cruel, inhumane and
    degrading way” before her trial by the US military.

    After that, she was given a heartbreakingly long 35-year sentence, longer than most
    actual spies, and, for that matter, rapists and murderers. She faced the prospect of
    spending the rest of her life behind bars, where she was continually and harshly
    punished for trivial violations. Recently, she had been put in solitary confinement – a
    macabre punishment for attempting suicide."

    "President Obama, while commendably showing her mercy, also oversaw a justice
    department that prosecuted more whistleblowers than all other administrations
    combined, while casting an unmistakable chill over investigative reporting and press freedom."
  6. 26 Jan '17 03:30
    Originally posted by Kunsoo
    We will probably never know what she decides to do, as I doubt she wants to be a public figure.

    I did come across something which suggested that most South American countries have no specific rules about it, and will only deny you entry/residency if the crime is deemed threatening to their interests.
    "I doubt she [Chelsea Manning] wants to be a public figure."

    But Chelsea Manning has chosen to be an activist, continuing to write for 'The Guardian'.

    "Compromise doesn't work with our political opponents. When will we learn?"
    --Chelsea Manning (25 January 2017)