Colorado Supreme Court bans Trump from Primary Ballot

@metal-brain said
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/pursuing-litigation-not-democracy-federal-judge-rejects-lawsuit-remove-trump-ballot

Mr. Castro, who is based in Texas, has filed at least two dozen lawsuits against the former president to remove him from respective states' ballots in recent weeks. Earlier this month, a judge in Arizona dismissed a similar lawsuit.

https://www.the ...[text shortened]... e full scale in 2 dozen states. Nobody has even charged Trump with sedition, let alone insurrection.

@no1marauder said
He isn't one now but he is a person who was an officer of the United States who took an oath to support the Constitution.

"The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office ,,,,,,,"

Article 2, Section 1 US Constitution

I think any dictionary will tell you an "officer" is someone who holds an "office".

But thanks for playing (the fool).

@metal-brain said
Both Free Enterprise Fund v. Public Company Accounting Oversight Board and United States v. Mouat define officers as appointees of the president and others.

Trump is NOT an executive officer.

@metal-brain said
Was.

The constitution does not say "former" official. Trump was not an official when the CO SC made their ruling. Not in my state.


Judge rules Trump can stay on Michigan ballot, rejects insurrection clause challenge

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4310114-judge-rules-trump-stay-michigan-ballot/

@no1marauder said
That inferior positions are "offices" is irrelevant to whether the Presidency is.

And the Constitution repeatedly refers to the Presidency as an "office".

@metal-brain said
Anyone with an office is an officer? LOL

Here's all the times the Presidency is described as an "office" in the Constitution:

Article 2, Section 1

"The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows"

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

"In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, "

"Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:– I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Article 2, Section 4

"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

Twenty-Second Amendment

"No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term."

Twenty Fifth Amendment

Section 1

"In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President."

Section 3

"Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President."

Section 4

"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office."

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/

@no1marauder said
Anyone who holds an office is an officer.

What grade of school did you finish?

@mott-the-hoople said
a lot of police officers beg to differ

@no1marauder said
Anyone who holds an office is an officer.

What grade of school did you finish?

@no1marauder said
This is from Merriam-Webster:

1
a obsolete : AGENT

b: one charged with police duties

2: one who holds an office of trust, authority, or command

the officers of the bank
chief executive officer

3a: one who holds a position of authority or command in the armed forces
specifically : COMMISSIONED OFFICER

b: the master or any of the mates of a merch ...[text shortened]... ly someone who is President of the United States " holds an office of trust, authority, or command."

@no1marauder said
Anyone who holds an office is an officer.

What grade of school did you finish?

@suzianne said
Police officers represent the police to the citizens.

The president represents the US.

@metal-brain said
That depends on which definition of officer you are using. You picked 1 of 3 definitions. You are cherry picking again.

Both Free Enterprise Fund v. Public Company Accounting Oversight Board and United States v. Mouat define officers as appointees of the president and others.

Trump is NOT an executive officer.

@no1marauder said
If you knew anything about the English language, you'd know words often have multiple meanings. The second definition given is obviously the relevant one for the discussion.

Neither of the cases you cite have anything to do with the President's status. But the Constitution makes clear he holds an "office" and is thus an "officer".