@metal-brain saidthere is a reason the president and vice president are not listed in 14th amendment. The president and vice president are already covered under Article 2 sec 4.
That depends on which definition of officer you are using. You picked 1 of 3 definitions. You are cherry picking again.
Both Free Enterprise Fund v. Public Company Accounting Oversight Board and United States v. Mouat define officers as appointees of the president and others.
Trump is NOT an executive officer.
@no1marauder saidyou dont even have a rudimentary understanding of the US constitution.
If you knew anything about the English language, you'd know words often have multiple meanings. The second definition given is obviously the relevant one for the discussion.
Neither of the cases you cite have anything to do with the President's status. But the Constitution makes clear he holds an "office" and is thus an "officer".
@mott-the-hoople saidHey, everybody! Here's another stupid one!
how are they police OFFICERS if they dont have an OFFICE? LOL
@mott-the-hoople saidAnd you do?!? Clearly not!
you dont even have a rudimentary understanding of the US constitution.
@mott-the-hoople saidArticle 2, Section 4 deals with impeachment of someone already occupying the office of the President of the United States while Section 3 of the 14th Amendment covers the disqualification from all offices of someone who has engaged in insurrection or rebellion after taking an oath to support the Constitution.
there is a reason the president and vice president are not listed in 14th amendment. The president and vice president are already covered under Article 2 sec 4.
@mott-the-hoople saidThey ARE listed. It says "an officer of the United States".
there is a reason the president and vice president are not listed in 14th amendment. The president and vice president are already covered under Article 2 sec 4.
@no1marauder said"Article 2, Section 4 deals with impeachment of someone already occupying the office of the President of the United States"
Article 2, Section 4 deals with impeachment of someone already occupying the office of the President of the United States while Section 3 of the 14th Amendment covers the disqualification from all offices of someone who has engaged in insurrection or rebellion after taking an oath to support the Constitution.
yes, and Trump was president at the time.
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@mott-the-hoople said'while Section 3 of the 14th Amendment covers the disqualification from all offices of someone who has engaged in insurrection or rebellion after taking an oath to support the Constitution."
"Article 2, Section 4 deals with impeachment of someone already occupying the office of the President of the United States"
yes, and Trump was president at the time.
No, it doesnt cover the president, vice president and civil officers
@mott-the-hoople saidThe criterion of being an officer is not that one occupies a room in an office building, but rather that one fulfills a certain role, as defined in law.
how are they police OFFICERS if they dont have an OFFICE? LOL
@metal-brain saidTrump is not an executive officer now, but he was from January 20, 2017 until January 20, 2021. He held the office of President of the United States, chief officer of the executive branch of the federal govt., as defined by the Constitution. The president of the U.S. is commonly referred to as the Chief Executive. Only a troll would continue to deny this.
Both Free Enterprise Fund v. Public Company Accounting Oversight Board and United States v. Mouat define officers as appointees of the president and others.
Trump is NOT an executive officer.
What the Free Enterprise Fund defines as an executive officer is irrelevant.
@mott-the-hoople saidHe isn't now, so Article 2, Section 4 is irrelevant.
"Article 2, Section 4 deals with impeachment of someone already occupying the office of the President of the United States"
yes, and Trump was president at the time.
But Section 3 of the 14th Amendment is and it gives no pass to ex-Presidents.
@moonbus saidtell your pal marerider that, he made the claim
The criterion of being an officer is not that one occupies a room in an office building, but rather that one fulfills a certain role, as defined in law.