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I already read this.

How do you reconcile such a claim with the actual figures that show excess deaths this year much higher than the reported COVID deaths?

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You don't consider 50k deaths in the UK this year from COVID as rating it a "deadly disease"?

From what I have heard, the restrictions in place in the UK are far less rigorous than in most places, including my own. What restrictions do you want further "relaxed"? Note that once a few States in the US did so, cases and deaths skyrocketed from previous low totals.

Here's a rundown on the UK restrictions: https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-52530518

They hardly seem onerous.


Statistical funny business:

"A review of how deaths from coronavirus are counted in England has reduced the UK death toll by more than 5,000, to 41,329, the government has announced.

The recalculation is based on a new definition of who has died from Covid.

Previously, people in England who died at any point following a positive test, regardless of cause, were counted in the figures.

But there will now be a cut-off of 28 days, providing a more accurate picture of the epidemic.

This brings England's measure in line with the other UK nations.

New counting method
The new methodology for counting deaths means the total number of people in the UK who have died from Covid-19 comes down from 46,706 to 41,329 - a reduction of 12%.

And figures for deaths in England for the most recent week of data - 18 to 24 July - will drop by 75%, from 442 to 111."

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53722711

Surely we can agree that those who have recovered and those who die from other causes shouldn't be counted as COVID deaths. But the UK's change goes far beyond that refusing to count any death as a COVID one after 28 days even though it is well known that patients can linger and die months later without recovering. And ignoring those deaths in recent counts is surely radically skewing the figures.


Eventually, it’s best just not to argue with the English.
They know best when it comes flooding, they know best when it comes to brexit and they know best when it comes dealing with pandemics.

We have to accept their expertise in these matters.




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I can explain it; your government arbitrarily adopted a standard that excluded 75% of COVID deaths, at least as far as the last reporting period for comparison shows. To repeat from the post you ignored:

"The new methodology for counting deaths means the total number of people in the UK who have died from Covid-19 comes down from 46,706 to 41,329 - a reduction of 12%.

And figures for deaths in England for the most recent week of data - 18 to 24 July - will drop by 75%, from 442 to 111."

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53722711

Magically making 300+ deaths a week disappear does wonders for the stats, doesn't it?



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I find it hard to believe that you don't think that changing the definition in a way that reduced the number of deaths by 75% in one week in July wouldn't have a similar effect on data in August.


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As the UK government is doing it in plain sight, it wouldn't be a very effective "conspiracy" except to the extremely gullible.

Congratulations on being one of those.


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There are other possible elephants, but there is no reason why the existence of one means another isn't there as well.

Maybe the country that does the worst at preventing spread gets the highest level of herd immunity and does better with new strains when they develop or when the same strain comes round again. Who knows how many were positive for the virus when admissions were at their peak. Maybe there are genetic factors making some people far more susceptible to serious illness and the country that does least well at preventing spread gets to be the first to find out what percentage of the population that represents.

The important thing is that hospital admission rates have dropped dramatically which is great news.


A Florida taxi driver, who believed false claims that coronavirus was a hoax,
has lost his wife to Covid-19. Brian Lee Hitchens and his wife, Erin, had read
claims online that the virus was fabricated, linked to 5G or similar to the flu.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53892856

Who do you believe? Experts or YouTubers? Tough decision for idiots.