-Removed-There are now fewer deaths. Yes.
But death isn’t the only problem with corona.
2% of infected people have very serious lung problems, a percentage seems to have remaining heart problems and a percentage seems to have brain clotting.
Also, I don’t know what you mean that the UK government isn’t keeping track of figures and numbers... I linked their official site which tells you 800+ hospital beds are, at this moment, being used for treating corona patients.
That’s 800 beds not being used to treat people with other inflictions.
The daily UK hospital admittance, as per UK government figures is, I believe 26.
They stay in hospital for weeks! That’s a hell of a lot of resources and beds being filled which otehr people can’t use.
Amputations are on the increase, because of this (BBC website).
Sure... less people are dying, but there’s still a hell of a lot of other stuff going on which isn’t very pretty.
And this is Summer! More Vitamin D, etc.
I mean, there’s no need to get all panicked about it all, but stick to the guidelines. Use your brain.
@sonhouse said" MIGHT' have lived yes, for a short while, but what it means is that the numbers are fudged, made to look as bad as they can. before you point out the obvious, I know C19 deaths can also occur that are unreported.
@jimmac
So the gist of all this is we are not supposed to believe 176,000 are now dead FROM covid? It might also mean a person with a serious health problem WOULD HAVE LIVED had it not been for C19 but that drove that person over the edge to death.
If you have C19 and die in a car crash, it is a C19 death, if you are asymptomatic and die from old age, it is a C19 death. What it means is that so many countries have such different systems that none of the figures can be correlated. You know, apples with oranges and all that.
@jimmac saidAlright.
" MIGHT' have lived yes, for a short while, but what it means is that the numbers are fudged, made to look as bad as they can. before you point out the obvious, I know C19 deaths can also occur that are unreported.
If you have C19 and die in a car crash, it is a C19 death, if you are asymptomatic and die from old age, it is a C19 death. What it means is that so many countrie ...[text shortened]... rent systems that none of the figures can be correlated. You know, apples with oranges and all that.
Why are conservative (pro-business) governments exaggerating covid cases, deaths and everything else?
Why is the WHO peddling a virus?
Is it some massive conspiracy?
Is it incompentence?
Or... maybe... they’re experts and want to get things under control as effective as possible?
@shavixmir saidNo idea why they are telling lies, you tell me.
Alright.
Why are conservative (pro-business) governments exaggerating covid cases, deaths and everything else?
Why is the WHO peddling a virus?
Is it some massive conspiracy?
Is it incompentence?
Or... maybe... they’re experts and want to get things under control as effective as possible?
@shavixmir saidI should not have used the term lies, but fudging is accurate as my 1st post in this thread points out. Why call it a corona death if a person was asymptomatic. That is what was stated on the link I provided. quite clear.
They’re not. It’s in your mind.
There is no global conspiracy to peddle corona.
As far as I am concerned there is a group of people that like to generate fear, they tag along with anything that suits there agenda. Can't name them, don't much care, same group of climate alarmists, identity grouping, minority this victim that. This virus is real and we need to take care but this powerful lobby group is happy to create fear over any damn thing.
The news is full of so much sensationalist language that it is designed to tell you how to think, I watch as little as possible.
-Removed-“ @divegeester said
Deaths are virtually non existent. ”
How do you know this if our government has stopped releasing the figures? Or are they just anecdotally non existent.?
It could well be that the virus has mutated and it will continue to mutate but it definitely hasn’t disappeared.
@divegeester
There are several issues here, not easily disentangled.
1. Dying of corona virus and dying with corona virus.
2. Differences in reporting cases, not only from one country to another, but over time within one country.
3. The intrinsic lethality of the disease.
4. Politics.
1. As sonhouse pointed out, quite a number of people who died with corona virus might not have died had it not been for their having corona as well as whatever it was that actually killed them. Having corona is an added strain on the immune system which can push someone over into morbidity.
2. Due to many factors, including item 1 above and item 4 below, as well as increasing knowledge about the course of the disease and its transmission, the manner of counting infections and deaths due to infection has changed over time. This makes decision-making difficult. It is no refutation of science in general that its conclusions and recommendations are subject to peer review and adjustment in light of new evidence; evidence-based decision-making is still the right course in a pandemic, and that is precisely what makes it incumbent upon politicians and decision-makers to remain flexible and to stay informed.
3. My wife is a Dr. Med. at the local hospital; her observation has been that once corona patients are so ill that they require respirators, they have a 50% survival rate. This is a serious disease by itself, all the more so if a patient is already weakened by some other factor.
4. Switzerland has timely and accurate information, reported at a single internet portal, updated daily for each canton separately, with a slider which allows people to follow progressions over time.
https://www.corona-data.ch
It is both impressive technology and indicative of open and transparent government.
Contrast that with the Trump administration's handling of information by gagging the Center for Disease Control, repeatedly contradicting his own advisors and staff, and asserting that testing should be slowed down because it makes the infection statistics look bad. That is politics at its worst: one man's re-election campaign at the expense of coherent public health policy.
So, how is the UK doing? The following article is ostensibly about how the USA is doing, but incidentally shows how the UK is doing, and it is none too well:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53780196
The UK is at or near the top of the charts according to three different metrics (sorry to say, it ain't Top of the Pops).