Originally posted by NimzovichLarsenThere are reports of the guillotine not causing immediate death.
ok, then bring back the guillotine
And if the crux of your argument was the belive that Anything that doesn't cause immediate death is barbaric and cruel. is equivalent to Anything that causes immediate death isn't barbaric and cruel. I have to inform you that this equivalence isn't a valid one and so you're incurring in a fallacy.
Originally posted by adam warlockyou said it, not me. So, if causing immediate death is still barbaric and cruel and not causing immediate death is barbaric and cruel, how does one avoid being barbaric and cruel?
There are reports of the guillotine not causing immediate death.
And if the crux of your argument was the belive that Anything that doesn't cause immediate death is barbaric and cruel. is equivalent to Anything that causes immediate death isn't barbaric and cruel. I have to inform you that this equivalence isn't a valid one and so you're incurring in a fallacy.
Originally posted by adam warlockp.s. how does having your head chopped off not cause immediate death?
There are reports of the guillotine not causing immediate death.
And if the crux of your argument was the belive that Anything that doesn't cause immediate death is barbaric and cruel. is equivalent to Anything that causes immediate death isn't barbaric and cruel. I have to inform you that this equivalence isn't a valid one and so you're incurring in a fallacy.
Originally posted by NimzovichLarsenI know I was the one who said it, but that doesn't prevent the fact that those two assertions aren't equivalent. This is straightforward kindergarten logic: P implies Q isn't equivalent to not P implies not Q. If you don't believe it just construct the truth tables.
you said it, not me. So, if causing immediate death is still barbaric and cruel and not causing immediate death is barbaric and cruel, how does one avoid being barbaric and cruel?
"So, if causing immediate death is still barbaric and cruel and not causing immediate death is barbaric and cruel, how does one avoid being barbaric and cruel?"
Let's break it down:
"So, if causing immediate death is still barbaric and cruel"
I never said that or anything that implied that. What I said is that ther are reports that the guillotine didn't cause immediate deaths all the time.
One can avoid being barbaric and cruel by using methods that aren't dignified to another human being. The guillotine certainly isn't one of them.
Originally posted by adam warlockok, drawing and quartering..that's the way to go.
I know I was the one who said it, but that doesn't prevent the fact that those two assertions aren't equivalent. This is straightforward kindergarten logic: P implies Q isn't equivalent to not P implies not Q. If you don't believe it just construct the truth tables.
"So, if causing immediate death is still barbaric and cruel and not causing immediat ...[text shortened]... aren't dignified to another human being. The guillotine certainly isn't one of them.
i wonder if they tried swapping teams to when they couldn't find a vein. or if swapping teams is even in the protocol.
same for electric chair. there are instances where they tried several times to finish the execution, because the first attempts didn't work. don't know if they tried fixing the chair design or just malfunctioning chairs. but that is a reason to fix the chair design, not toss out the method. electricity is a lot faster than lethal injection. 50-minus states using the electric chair means up to 50-minus chair designs. probably a lot of them had shoddy designs. maybe none of them were modern.
Originally posted by DrKFThey spoke in tongues. No air needed. Others just talked out their azz. FACT !
and had someone with bellows pumping air through their throats so that they could speak. I mean, it always struck me as a gruesome affair, but that would have ratcheted it up way past weird...
GRANNY.
Originally posted by adam warlockWell if we'rs so worried about them twitching or whatever just shoot them in the back of the head with a 12 gauge. They won't feel a thing.
I don't know also. I'm no physician. But what I do know is that there certified reports of guillotine victims bodies twitching for quite some time after the head is off.