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Originally posted by no1marauderDid I say Christian? No. What Jefferson did say in the Declaration was that God gave man certain rights. No amount of redefining words, ignoring texts, or rewriting them will ever erase this fact.
Yes, the "goal post has moved" from the acceptance of many violations of Natural Rights that you and Judge Moore supported to their disapproval.
It's highly doubtful you'd approve of what Jefferson thought of as God.http://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/jeffersons-religious-beliefs
Christian Fundamentalists like you and Judge Moor ...[text shortened]... often criticize him for saying there should be a "wall of separation between Church and State".
The implication of which is that there is a higher authority other than Obama and the Supremes, a very important reality.
Originally posted by whodeyActually it says "that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights". It also says "all men are created equal".
Did I say Christian? No. What Jefferson did say in the Declaration was that God gave man certain rights. No amount of redefining words, ignoring texts, or rewriting them will ever erase this fact.
Originally posted by no1marauderSo if men decide if we are all equal then man can later decide otherwise.
Actually it says "that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights". It also says "all men are created equal".
When it comes down to it, who really cares what you or I or Jefferson believe? In the end there is truth and there is man made truth.
Originally posted by ZahlanziIf there is a God then such a God reigns supreme. Man can counter him as they wish, but in the end, they will lose if they do.
"Our rights do not come from God. That’s your faith, that’s my faith, but that’s not our country."
how about you chill and stop with the tantrums.
he is right. US was not founded to be a christian nation. these rights are yours regardless of who you believe in and who crated you.
Men used to believe that their rulers were god in the flesh. Such thinking actually matters.
Originally posted by whodeyNot really. We may do whatever we please but if we ignore our basic Nature our societies will be filled with strife.
So if men decide if we are all equal then man can later decide otherwise.
When it comes down to it, who really cares what you or I or Jefferson believe? In the end there is truth and there is man made truth.
There are many Men who think they are in possession of an ultimate truth derived from texts written by Men. You are one of them; I am not.
Originally posted by whodeyWell, your god did tell you not to question your rulers.
If there is a God then such a God reigns supreme. Man can counter him as they wish, but in the end, they will lose if they do.
Men used to believe that their rulers were god in the flesh. Such thinking actually matters.
Originally posted by no1marauderSociety is filled with strife because we do ignore our basic nature.
Not really. We may do whatever we please but if we ignore our basic Nature our societies will be filled with strife.
There are many Men who think they are in possession of an ultimate truth derived from texts written by Men. You are one of them; I am not.
The question becomes, why and what to do about it?
Originally posted by no1marauderOk, you deny that Natural Rights come from God or a Creator. You, like many others, believe in a reality defined by man. Way to state the obvious.
Right wingers on this site never cease to amaze; they have been almost unanimous in ridiculing the philosophy of Natural Rights yet now seek to use someone's questioning whether God provided them as fodder against "progressives" (whatever that means in WhodeySpeak).
Of course, the answer to that question is not "either/or"; Natural Rights come from Ma ...[text shortened]... one can reach the conclusion that humans have Natural Rights with a Creator God or without one.
Way to distance yourself from those who wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.