@zahlanzi saidNo one on the Forum is trying to 'convince' anyone. This is fun bantering, to see what libs think vs. what conservatives think.
"Here Zahlsnzi suggests that the govt sholuld ‘protect’ someone from an employer who gave him a job, which, after having accepted the terms, the employee complains about pay and healthcare"
Yes. Individuals have no negotiating power for most jobs. An individual has to eat. A company can hire someone else who needs to eat.
The government should step in and decree people wh ...[text shortened]... y a hobby. Some people watch reality shows, I like to show right wing nutjobs how fuked up they are.
Take first para above...."Individuals have no negotiating power for most jobs' You say that as if they should? The guy who works at mcdonalds or on an assembly line? The job pays $x an hour, he can take the job or not. Dont get you there. Yes, some salaries are negotiable, as this is a free enterprise system. Actually, I am surprised you have negotiations with all the government intervention there.
As to the individual needs to eat, I do not get what that has to do with the amount of money a job pays. IF it is not enough, he could get another job or work two jobs. You seem to suggest that an employer is responsible to an employee for his making 'enough money' for his needs. He also needs a car to get to work. Don't get you there. And if the govt 'steps in', I guess that means the government in effect would control the company?? Marx, perhaps.? You fellers just dont realize what you are saying here.
Sure a guy can walk away to find a better job. Dont get you there either.
All of your posts have a common thread.....you prefer big government over limited government. To a normal American, this is a concept that is hard to grasp. we prefer independence, self-reliance, such as that.
@AverageJoe1
In an altruistic world, we would need NO government.
However, the world population, mainly big corps, are NOT altruistic, as much as you would LOVE to believe that.
Big corps need big government to reel them in to prevent the worse abuses like child labor in mines, toxic waste dumped in the ocean, there was just discovered in the pacific ocean THOUSANDS of TONS of DDT dumped in many many barrels now corroding and spreading the toxin right into the ocean.
That is RIGHT NOW TODAY.
NOT 1860.
THAT is why we need big government. Big corps have LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO DO WHAT THEY WANT and what they want has nothing to do with what hurts people.
And of course you would say, there are plenty of laws on the books already.
Maybe so, but with nothing but a few hundred dollars in fines there is practically nothing on the punishment side. THAT is why we need REAL government not mealy mouthed BULLSHYTE from republicans who stop ANY democrat inititive.
You know good and well the republican party is in deep trouble right now, hanging on to the corrupt coat tails of Trump.
Until they dump trump, there will BE no republican party.
Arguing over bills is one thing, give and take in the house and senate.
There is no such thing now in spite of Biden having been in office for near 50 years and knows the ropes.
Moscow Mitch DOESN'T give a rats ass about ANYTHING but keeping his sorry ass in power.
And BTW, why is it you ignore all the actual criminal convictions of half of Trump world, Manafort, Stone, Cohen, now Rudy,
What is REALLY sad is you cannot put it together that all those convictions of corruption and such comes from the top.
Trump toxified most of the entire government, or maybe you don't remember the decimation of the EPA, the USDA, CIA, FBI, installing yes men at top positions in the Pentagon.
That is not even counting all the incarceration of infants ripped from moms arms.
And don't EVEN tell me Biden is doing the same. If there are excess children to deal with they are dealt with humanly not even CLOSE to the incarceration by Trump.
You perhaps remember the phrase 'HAND PENCE"?
Did you think that came out of nowhere?
It came from a text DIRECTLY from Trump AS THE INSURRECTION was taking place.
And you love him as if he were the hero of the common man.
BTW, did you notice Trump has ZERO friends?
That is because he is INCAPABLE of actual friendship.
That is what happens when you are so narcistic and a sociopath only interested in personal power and subverting the entire government to be his personal agents.
I suppose you also LOVED the idea of Barr being Trump's personal attorney, attacking his enemies and helping his friends.
You think otherwise?
@sonhouse saidYou are right, he has no friends. But he has proven that one can be a good president without friends. (I think he was one of our best presidents). Otherwise I am not crazy about him personally, we agree. I dont like my Dr either, he is a drunk and hates children. But he is the best Dr in town, he keeps me healthy.
@AverageJoe1
In an altruistic world, we would need NO government.
However, the world population, mainly big corps, are NOT altruistic, as much as you would LOVE to believe that.
Big corps need big government to reel them in to prevent the worse abuses like child labor in mines, toxic waste dumped in the ocean, there was just discovered in the pacific ocean THOUSANDS o ...[text shortened]... ng Trump's personal attorney, attacking his enemies and helping his friends.
You think otherwise?
You are right, any corp that breaks the laws you speak of should be shut down by the govt. Our govt has the power to shut down corps.
I dont know what you mean about the Repubs being in 'deep trouble'. They lost an election , and their 'trouble' is re-grouping and finding an answer to get them back in Congress and Senate, then hopefully the presidency.
Biden knows the ropes.? You might be surprised at his record of always being on the wrong side of decisions, ....don't go after Bin Laden, etc. But no matter, Sonhouse, because he is not running anything. He reads lecterns like a zombie, that's it. Obama, Susan Rice and the usual suspects are running absolutely everything You might polish up your posts with that realization.
We all know that you find Trump toxic and that he is not perfect. And that some of his lieutenants, who went to jail, were bad picks for his administration. Please don't write back and tell us JUST HOW bad...Please. It is a new day now.
Why do you say I love(d) Trump, I have said repeatedly that I do not.
One more thing. I note that you seem to take exception to the amount of money that corps have, I think that is your point. Apple is worth over 2 TRILLION dollars. Can you tell us what you think 'should be done' about that? Are you saying that it is grossly rich, are you saying the government should nationalize Apple, are you saying they should start giving away iPhones? Are you saying that the US Government should 'step in' and stop this unseamly success?
Tell us your underling feelings about corps with a lot of money. Thanks. (Or you can write screed number 68 over and over and over again.)
"Zahlsnzi Also suggests that the employer is making the employee live from paycheck to paycheck......when in fact he can choose to walk away. "If a person is unhappy with the amount of his pay, he can, while working, be searching for a better-paying job, for which he is qualified. (Ed. Note: He has to be qualified). I think that that is about it in the USA. What else do you think should be available to him? Government intervention? Is that a Romanian solution? I can't IMAGINE that here.
if he is living paycheck to paycheck how the flying fuk can he walk away? Do you understand what living paycheck to paycheck means?
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@AverageJoe1
Yes AJoe, and if and when it happens, you an bet that the politically connected like pols and layabouts,
will get "top dollar" and the CEO's and true worker bees get crap. book it.
@earl-of-trumps saidHad you picked up over the recent postings that it is the feeling, especially among citizens of other countries, that government should be involved in dictating to the Boards of Directors of corporations how to run the corps, how much to pay, even suggesting that workers be able to negotiate wages? I guess the corps would have to initiate an internal office, pay people to sit in there, to 'negotiate' how much to pay an assembly line worker? If one of the workers prevails, then it would follow that that same raise would have to be paid across the board to all on the assembly line??? Do these libs not think ANYTHING through when they make these posts???
@AverageJoe1
Yes AJoe, and if and when it happens, you an bet that the politically connected like pols and layabouts,
will get "top dollar" and the CEO's and true worker bees get crap. book it.
Instead of paying what the job calls for, they want to pay what the worker calls for. The New World is upon us!! Their logic is non-existent.
@AverageJoe1
All one has to do is look at what Hugo Chávez and Maduro in his aftermath did to their once lovely
and prosperous nation of Venezuela and it is not hard to understand that leftist DEMANDS on businesses
will put them out of business. So many businessmen have fled the country broke, it's disgusting.
All of the government demands done at the point of a gun (laws) and with no concern at all
for the rich bastids or for the people that suffer now with lack of *everything*.
How bad are things?? Venezuela has the largest oil reserves in the world... and NO GASOLINE!!
@earl-of-trumps saidwell, with all due respect, it is the way of socialists to 'share' , so the fire truck shared their gas. All the libs here only see short-sighted, are so happy to hear that all is well!!!!! Marxism saved THE DAY!!! BUT, did Marx, and our liberal friends, plan on the fact that my granny died of a heart attack 2 hours later, , because the ambulance had no gas to get to her home to save her???????
This is no joke, the gasoline crunch is so bad in Venezuela that recently, an ambulance ran out of gas
getting a patient to the hospital. Thankfully, a fire truck arrived and donated some gasoline.
THAT bad. Ya. Keep letting liberals make the decisions for America. Uh huh.
@averagejoe1 saidSorry, everyone, I think that the above needed re-posting. Do libs just not get it, or do they not care as long as the government, like the one in Romania, will take care of them. Even if the Russians attack Romania, they are covered!!!! Uhhh, what is their military situation, anyway? Hope they don't call on the USA, we have enough troubles. A certain,, shall we say..Sect,, is shooting people in the streets in Chicago, SEVEN PEOPLE a day (actually nights, they work at night, as did their forbears). So, we need our military here. Y'all just work it out.
Had you picked up over the recent postings that it is the feeling, especially among citizens of other countries, that government should be involved in dictating to the Boards of Directors of corporations how to run the corps, how much to pay, even suggesting that workers be able to negotiate wages? I guess the corps would have to initiate an internal office, pay people to ...[text shortened]... ey want to pay what the worker calls for. The New World is upon us!! Their logic is non-existent.
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