This sounds like such a softball pitch thrown at you ready to be hit out of the park... or is it.
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NBA Star Draymond Green Attacks Female Athletes Fighting for Equal Pay:
‘I’m Really Tired of Seeing Them Complain’
Golden State Warriors star Draymond Green launched into a rant against female athletes “complaining” for equal play, arguing that they were not putting in enough effort in their fight for equity.
Green made the comments while speaking with NBC Sports Bay Area reporter Kerith Burke,
specifically targeting WNBA players and their ongoing campaign for equal pay.
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According to NBC Sports, the average WNBA salary is slightly less than $100,000,
making it roughly 1.5 percent of the average NBA salary, which exceeds $7 million.
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Women make 1.5% of what the men make for doing the same job.
Or is it? And who might pay these women athletes, should a judge rule that they must receive "equal pay"?
Please note, non-sports fans... The men of the NBA and women of the WNBA play in two separate sports leagues,
but in both cases, the player salaries are pretty much hinged on revenue, and then individual contribution to one's team.
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https://www.mediaite.com/sports/nba-star-draymond-green-attacks-female-athletes-fighting-for-equal-pay-im-really-tired-of-seeing-them-complain/
@earl-of-trumps saidI wonder if the WNBA may have been inspired by women's football (soccer) where the women's league eclipsed the men's in ratings:
This sounds like such a softball pitch thrown at you ready to be hit out of the park... or is it.
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NBA Star Draymond Green Attacks Female Athletes Fighting for Equal Pay:
‘I’m Really Tired of Seeing Them Complain’
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In fact, women's football viewership is up 493% in 2020 despite every other major North American sport losing ratings during the pandemic. Yet, they still receive less pay than the men and are fighting a legal battle in court for equal pay.
I'm not for certain that the WNBA is following suit (ha, see what I did there?) but the women's football league has had high-profile cases reach the higher courts.
The major difference is that the WNBA doesn't reach nearly the same viewership as the NBA. or generate anywhere near as much revenue. the WNBA doesn't have the same case as North American women's football leagues.
@vivify saidI think sportswomen are going struggle to with proving that the ‘work’ they do justifies the kind of money that players in the top tier team sports get payed.
I wonder if the WNBA may have been inspired by women's football (soccer) where the women's league eclipsed the men's in ratings:
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/women-s-world-cup-final-ratings-surpass-last-year-s-n1027486
In fact, women's football viewership is up 493% in 2020 despite every other major North American sport losing ratings during the pandemi ...[text shortened]... ar as much revenue. the WNBA doesn't have the same case as North American women's football leagues.
Given that the men get paid way more than is reasonable based on their actual work load the common sense equal pay for equal work banner loses the clout it has in an industrial or retail setting.
It is surely right a national women’s team should get equal pay though, if it’s based on results the US women’s soccer team should be getting way more than the men’s but I remember them quite recently having to campaign very strongly just to get pay parity with the underachieving men’s team.
I guess it’s up to women to start supporting and watching women’s team sports before sponsors and tv companies follow their noses and overpay these sportswomen the way they do the men.
@kevcvs57 saidNot at all. It's easy to prove what kind of ratings their broadcasts receives. It's a simple matter of numbers.
I think sportswomen are going struggle to with proving that the ‘work’ they do justifies the kind of money that players in the top tier team sports get payed.
Rhonda Rousey, at one time, was arguably biggest draw in MMA, and it was due to how big an audience she could pull. Those numbers were not difficult to prove. She was also paid accordingly.
@vivify saidWell I don’t think that’s about how much work she does is it. But yes that’s my point if women are as big a money maker as men then yes of course they should get the same ‘silly money’ that the over payed men get but let’s not pretend that any of them are getting paid in accordance with the amount of actual work they do.
Not at all. It's easy to prove what kind of ratings their broadcasts receives. It's a simple matter of numbers.
Rhonda Rousey, at one time, was arguably biggest draw in MMA, and it was due to how big an audience she could pull. Those numbers were not difficult to prove. She was also paid accordingly.
I find it galling that women on minimum wages are expected to get angry about a women on $100,000 not getting $7,000,000 but if women are generating the same revenue as men then yeah stick them in a gold plated Porsche for bouncing around a basketball court once or twice a week but let’s not call it work.
@vivify saidNo and I cannot figure out why you’d think it is.
Is your point that the female athletes don't train or work as hard as the men?
My point is that neither male nor female sports stars are paid in accordance to the actual work they do.
Thus the banner equal pay for equal work loses its punch in this respect. It was coined with hard working and low paid women in mind.
These people have agents negotiating their fees for them if they are generating the same income as a male sportsman or male team then yes of course they should be paid the same and I don’t understand how their agents are allowing this to happen.
But I do not regard this dispute as an integral aspect of the working women’s right to ‘equal pay for equal work’ by definition a female basketball player or even another male basketball player who is not generating the same income as a third basketball player cannot claim their ‘work’ is of equal value to the employer.
Coincidentally this is something that Women and men working in Asda stores are currently having to prove in relation to their mainly male colleagues working in the companies warehouses.
@kevcvs57 saidnow you are beginning to see the faults with socialism. just as the min wage increase (that you are for) doesnt work for the exact same reasons.
No and I cannot figure out why you’d think it is.
My point is that neither male nor female sports stars are paid in accordance to the actual work they do.
Thus the banner equal pay for equal work loses its punch in this respect. It was coined with hard working and low paid women in mind.
These people have agents negotiating their fees for them if they are generating the s ...[text shortened]... tly having to prove in relation to their mainly male colleagues working in the companies warehouses.
@Earl-of-Trumps
I'll become a singer and demand to be paid the same as Taylor Swift.
Hmm. Equal pay for equal work, shouldn't all basketball players be paid the same? Or the same per minute played?
Just think how much happier and free we'll all feel when every single person's salary in the US is literally a federal case.
My point is that neither male nor female sports stars are paid in accordance to the actual work they do ---Kev
That may be true, but that doesn't account for the massive pay difference in some sports like football (soccer) in North America. You're correct that the negotiation skill of sports agents do factor in the pay of individual athletes. but it doesn't account for the overall gap.
As far as the WNBA specifically, I doubt they'd be able to make the same case as the U.S. women's football league that they should receive equal pay.
@vivify saidyes they are, it is the quality of their work the warrants the amount paid.
"Given that the men get paid way more than is reasonable based on their actual work load"---Kev
My point is that neither male nor female sports stars are paid in accordance to the actual work they do
That may be true, but that doesn't account for the massive pay difference in some sports like football (soccer) in North America. You're correct that the skill of sp ...[text shortened]... e able to make the same case as the U.S. women's football league that they should receive equal pay.
@mott-the-hoople saidNot in the real world.
yes they are, it is the quality of their work the warrants the amount paid.
Less talented people make more money than more skilled people all the time. Pop stars with limited vocal ranges often make higher incomes than more talented singers or performers. Same with terrible actors compared to skilled ones.
What matters is how much money such people can generate, not the "quality" of their work. If female athletes can generate as much revenue as men, they should be paid the same.
@vivify saidWell, ya see, Viv, in women's soccer, the monies are comingled with the men's revenues. Whole different can of worms.
I wonder if the WNBA may have been inspired by women's football (soccer) where the women's league eclipsed the men's in ratings:
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/women-s-world-cup-final-ratings-surpass-last-year-s-n1027486
In fact, women's football viewership is up 493% in 2020 despite every other major North American sport losing ratings during the pandemi ...[text shortened]... ar as much revenue. the WNBA doesn't have the same case as North American women's football leagues.
To stop the complaining and court suits there should be two separate organizations with their own revenue pool.
My opinion
Now basketball does not do this. There are two separate organizations, much like golf and tennis.
@kevcvs57 -
It is surely right a national women’s team should get equal pay though, if it’s based
on results the US women’s soccer team should be getting way more than the men’s
Interesting. So you think the US Women's team should get as much money, if not more, than the Italian Men's National team?
Have you given any thought as to where the money should come from?