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Explain socialist/liberal dogma. Why don’t socialist want to live under socialism?

Explain socialist/liberal dogma. Why don’t socialist want to live under socialism?

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@Earl-of-Trumps said
When communist countries have their revolution, it always focuses on seizing all assets from the wealthy.
The wealth gap between rich and poor was so oppressive, something had to be done.

Strange things then happen.
The rich in those countries (heads of state) become filthy rich, and the people are more impoverished than ever.

Kim Jong un - His net worth was ...[text shortened]... n about again... the wealth gap?? 🙄🙄🙄

'Communism' I can figure out, Communists...? not a chance.
Same with Venezuela recently. In 2005, Chavez won the election and immediately he expelled all foreign enterprises [except in the oil industry], seized their assets with little or no compensation. He turned Venezuela which was the richest South American country into one of the poorest in the world.


@Rajk999

Yes, indeed.
Venezuela, before Hugo C., had the 2nd richest people, per capita, in north or south America, save the USA


@Earl-of-Trumps said
@Rajk999

Yes, indeed.
Venezuela, before Hugo C., had the 2nd richest people, per capita, in north or south America, save the USA
Yes ..thanks to capitalism. After socialism they had nothing.
People who call for socialism are really stupid.


@Rajk999 said
Socialism is an abject failure all over the world where it has been tried.

Europe is capitalist. What they do have is more welfare than the USA, but by no stretch of the imagination can you call them socialist, or leaning toward socialism.

Socialism is a system of public ownership of all resources, and no private individuals own any resources. There is no such thing in Europe, and never will be.
Thankyou. You simply expose the losers on this thread who defend the indefensible.
They are so conflicted and scattered they don't have any thing to throw at us,,,,when all they have to do is join us, and , sleep like babies....as Sonhouse prepares his sword for the stone!!!!!!


@AverageJoe1 said
Thankyou. You simply expose the losers on this thread who defend the indefensible.
They are so conflicted and scattered they don't have any thing to throw at us,,,,when all they have to do is join us, and , sleep like babies....as Sonhouse prepares his sword for the stone!!!!!!
I have heard the comment before that Europe is socialist, but that just demonstrates gross ignorance. Europe is capitalist with a bit more welfare than the US. Maybe the US needs to provide more welfare to deserving people. RIght now the welfare system in the US is being abused. 40,000,000 on Snap sounds a bit much... is tht around 9% of the population


@Rajk999 said
I have heard the comment before that Europe is socialist, but that just demonstrates gross ignorance. Europe is capitalist with a bit more welfare than the US. Maybe the US needs to provide more welfare to deserving people. RIght now the welfare system in the US is being abused. 40,000,000 on Snap sounds a bit much... is tht around 9% of the population
Put me in the 'mean' column. This is the self-reliant USA. Losers and parasites need to move to those countries, where dependents are welcome. Cuba, maybe,,,,like where do they draw the line.? A forum topic in itself. Like, comparing what they hate about lack-of-free-stuff here, to all of the free stuff there.
Yes, we should provide welfare programs to people (citizens) who need it. I am not THAT mean.


@AverageJoe1 said
Put me in the 'mean' column. This is the self-reliant USA. Losers and parasites need to move to those countries, where dependents are welcome. Cuba, maybe,,,,like where do they draw the line.? A forum topic in itself. Like, comparing what they hate about lack-of-free-stuff here, to all of the free stuff there.
Yes, we should provide welfare programs to people (citizens) who need it. I am not THAT mean.
No, you're already in the 'idiot' column. No straddling.


@Zahlanzi said
"Would you rather live in Cuba or in America?"
Yes, those are my only 2 options, ya dingus

EDIT:
But if you insist on an answer, gun to my head, i would rather live in Cuba than Trump's Amerika
So would Shav, I suspect, as he said he can live on meager existence. I cannot imagine not being able to buy delta tickets to visit my family, and then maybe while I am out , vist the Netherlands, KimKim, a wonderful bike expereince. But that's just me. Who needs to do such wonderful things


@Suzianne said
No, you're already in the 'idiot' column. No straddling.
yoiu never explain your posts. that is frownedupon


@Rajk999 said
I have heard the comment before that Europe is socialist, but that just demonstrates gross ignorance. Europe is capitalist with a bit more welfare than the US. Maybe the US needs to provide more welfare to deserving people. RIght now the welfare system in the US is being abused. 40,000,000 on Snap sounds a bit much... is tht around 9% of the population
Hmmmmm.

Believing what Trump, Bessent, Musk and Miller say.

I bet none of them have missed any meals.

How sad. Sad and embarrassing.

And now innocent people are paying the price.

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@AverageJoe1 said
yoiu never explain your posts. that is frownedupon
No need. IYKYK. If you don't, you're probably a Trump conservative.

You could read the post I am replying to if you get confused.

Sorry I don't post in all caps like your hero.


@AverageJoe1 said
Put me in the 'mean' column. This is the self-reliant USA. Losers and parasites need to move to those countries, where dependents are welcome. Cuba, maybe,,,,like where do they draw the line.? A forum topic in itself. Like, comparing what they hate about lack-of-free-stuff here, to all of the free stuff there.
Yes, we should provide welfare programs to people (citizens) who need it. I am not THAT mean.
Welfare should really be for all citizens and some of the deserving legal immigrants. Illegal immigrants should be deported.


@Suzianne said
No need. IYKYK. If you don't, you're probably a Trump conservative.

You could read the post I am replying to if you get confused.

Sorry I don't post in all caps like your hero.
Can you respond to a post? I am an Asian Inuit, an atheist with a bit of racism thrown in, but a true universal Novbeliever and everything Mother Teresa.
But setting all that aside, can you possibly respond to a post without such considerations. That is, look at some facts, and respond to the facts. If he and I discuss
religion, I would not expect either of us to say that one is an atheist one is a Christian… We would diiscuus religion. Catch on.

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@AverageJoe1 said
I did not say she is a socialist. Why don't you respond to the topic of the thread, that liberals who are shown everyday to be repulsive, socialist or not, are hypocrites. Main point is that they slam rich people............but they get rich in their sleep, and then some. Can none of you comment on that?
No, no, you have to explain that all of your nasty 'give us yo ...[text shortened]... another, so you have an uphill battle here to justify it.
None of you can and none of you will.
You titled the thread socialist and used the word socialist multiple times, sprinkled in progressive, liberal, capitalist, and Jasmine Crockett etc all into one muddled paragraph.

Progressives are capitalists, mate. They get a lot wrong, in my opinion, but they have been correct in sounding the warning about corporate welfare and crony capitalism for decades now, as Republicans have ramped up their support for trickle down economics.

Now we have military contractors buying millions in gifts for the president of the United States who you support. Your party lost the title of capitalist.


@wildgrass said
You titled the thread socialist, sprinkled in progressive, liberal, capitalist, and Jasmine Crockett etc all into one muddled paragraph.

Progressives are capitalists, mate. They get a lot wrong, in my opinion, but they have been correct in sounding the warning about corporate welfare and crony capitalism for decades now, as Republicans have ramped up their support for tr ...[text shortened]... fts for the president of the United States who you support. Your party lost the title of capitalist.
You go off subject.
Everyone, this cookie-cutter liberal wants to change the subject. He wants to talk about Crone capitalism and corporate welfare. All in the same thread, together, being two separate topics in this thread, a thread which has nothing to do with capitalism or welfare. He simply will not respond to the topic. It is just pitiful..
For instance, he mentions corporate welfare, when I have simply asked everyone here about socialism.
Direct questions. Why can liberals not answer? Direct questions?