Explain socialist/liberal dogma. Why don’t socialist want to live under socialism?

@AverageJoe1 said
Right, they read and educate themselves. Feeds the brain. A community service. Libraries should be free.
Should food be free? Feeds the body.

Shavixmir? Bring it.

yes. nobody should be left to starve

@shavixmir said
Yes, European countries supply food. And so does yours. When people can't afford food, you feed them.
When you live in a country full of canals, you teach them to swim.
If someone lives in a desert, then you don't teach them to swim on the tax-payers expenses, but you teach them... I dunno... how to milk dromedaries, find water... or something...

You seem to be prett ...[text shortened]... communism. And all you can squeal about is some upgrade to your plane fare to Jamaica...

Cool...

When people can't afford food, the government gives them food. So your logic, is that people who 'can't afford doctors' get a free doctor.
Well, if someone spends their money on something else, like a plane fare to a Dart Championship in Vegas, do you think they should be entitled to ANY money from the government if they get sick. You see, they can 'afford' medical care, but choose to blow money and have AvJoe pay for doctor. You are a pollyanna. You say help that ahole, and I say let him be sick.

Free food free doctors, free free free gimmie it, gimme it, I am a parasite. I bet you have thought about the government at least 3 times today. I NEVER think about the government except at tax time.

@shavixmir said
You don't have to agree with the sentiment.
But, if you're paying a babysitter... the babysitter is still part of the nurturing of the child...

I would choose a sitter with my values. If I have to settle with a 'town-provided' sitter, it could be a Muslim who tells my son that when he has children, that he can murder his daughter if she looks at a boy.
Your arguments fall flat. If I choose the sitter, I am in-effect raising my child. Hell, what if the sitter is a socialist and tells me that tran is very good, and that boys can compete witih girls and can use their bathrooms.
What if the sitter is a socialist like you are, and teaches my child that getting other peoples' stuff is acceptable. Normal.

@Zahlanzi said
yes. nobody should be left to starve

OK, so you have tempered your comments by saying that food should be given to people who starve. Prior to that you were just saying free food. It would be better if you were more specific and save a lot of typing.
Along these lines, you once said free housing. I would not be surprised if you think everyone should have free housing. I think that is really what you meant. However if you mean, only people that need it, please tell us how you would decide who needs free housing. If it is for someone who does not work and does not have income, then one needs to only stop working and qualify for free housing. Can you come in on that. How would you keep up with people who qualify and people who do not?

@Zahlanzi said
yes. nobody should be left to starve

Able-bodied people who can work but choose not to, should be left to starve.

@AverageJoe1 said
When people can't afford food, the government gives them food. So your logic, is that people who 'can't afford doctors' get a free doctor.
Well, if someone spends their money on something else, like a plane fare to a Dart Championship in Vegas, do you think they should be entitled to ANY money from the government if they get sick. You see, they can 'afford' medical ...[text shortened]... about the government at least 3 times today. I NEVER think about the government except at tax time.

Medical care should be free. That is one of the failures of the American economy.

@AverageJoe1 said
I would choose a sitter with my values. If I have to settle with a 'town-provided' sitter, it could be a Muslim who tells my son that when he has children, that he can murder his daughter if she looks at a boy.
Your arguments fall flat. If I choose the sitter, I am in-effect raising my child. Hell, what if the sitter is a socialist and tells me that tran is very g ...[text shortened]... cialist like you are, and teaches my child that getting other peoples' stuff is acceptable. Normal.

The argument doesn’t fall flat just because you say so.

Don’t people look out for your kid when he’a playing outside, at school, in the library, etc.

Seriously. You couldn’t argue sharia in bathroom filled with 300 moslims.

@AverageJoe1 said
When people can't afford food, the government gives them food. So your logic, is that people who 'can't afford doctors' get a free doctor.
Well, if someone spends their money on something else, like a plane fare to a Dart Championship in Vegas, do you think they should be entitled to ANY money from the government if they get sick. You see, they can 'afford' medical ...[text shortened]... about the government at least 3 times today. I NEVER think about the government except at tax time.

You really have a hang up about people flying all over the place.

First of all, if 200.000 people are hungry and 300 of them fly to Vegas, it’s still worth feeding them all.

Second of all, people without food are hardly flying to bloody Vegas.

@Rajk999 said
Able-bodied people who can work but choose not to, should be left to starve.

Thankyou. What is Shav's problem? Is he on a govt dole himself, and justifying it here on the Forum??
Careful, using the word 'choose' with a liberal renders your post totally lost. The word is not in their vocabulary. Choosing is done FOR them.

@AverageJoe1 said
Thankyou. What is Shav's problem? Is he on a govt dole himself, and justifying it here on the Forum??
Careful, using the word 'choose' with a liberal renders your post totally lost. The word is not in their vocabulary. Choosing is done FOR them.

There is no economy that chooses whether or not people can work.

@Rajk999 said
Medical care should be free. That is one of the failures of the American economy.

I could go all day on this one, as you are saying that my tax money should pay for your daughter's abortion and for every bit of medical care for 360million people who reside here. It gets rid of private med insurance, private doctors, and of course, in case you haven't thought of it, thousands of people who 'appear' as doctors, for which I would have to stand in line to visit, standing behind an alien.

Why free? It works fine now, once we clean up obamacare debacle. And you can buy very good supplemental coverage. Are you helpless? Then put yourself in the category of 50M hlepless people, and we WILL be paying for your food and healthcare.
Geez, not rocket science. Note you promote having govt take care you. Can you not take care of yourself? Does your family, who counts on you, know that?

@shavixmir said
The argument doesn’t fall flat just because you say so.

Don’t people look out for your kid when he’a playing outside, at school, in the library, etc.

Seriously. You couldn’t argue sharia in bathroom filled with 300 moslims.

Why would I wnt to know about Shiria? I don't even want to know about Lutherans. Got nothing to do with me. Don't get your saying that. 🤔

Your argument fall flat on its own. Is this when you bail?

I look out for my kid if he is playing outside, who is never playing alone. He is covered by teachers and coaches who work for me as a citizen. One who is not required to be watching my kid has NO duty to me or my kid to watch him.

Let me put it this way.....If my kid gets hurt or kidnapped or whatever, it is NO One Else's Fault!! It is MY fault. So , if it is no one else's fault.....follow me.....then that means that my kids were NOT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.

@Rajk999 said
There is no economy that chooses whether or not people can work.

Please re-state this, as since it is obvious, you have an underlying meaning?

@shavixmir said
It takes a village to raise a child.

It’s an African sentiment (I think, although I have heard it used in connection with Kibbutzniks as well).

I almost missed this!!!!
So here Shav has seen the news, the Nigerians (Africans to whom he refers) kill each other as a matter of course, tribal stuff going back 1000s of years, it is 'what they do', says AvJoe.
So, unbelievably, he suggests here, read it for yourself, that we, the rest of the world, should raise our children (it takes a village....'african sentiment'' jesus) like Africans do.
They slaughter people before breakfast. And Wildgrass says. to rely on villagers, in this case, who slaughter people to 'raise our children'. Wildgrass, should we scope out villages to see which would be best to move to?

All of you need to take a break. Read some Sonouse to sharpen your wits.

@shavixmir said
You really have a hang up about people flying all over the place.

First of all, if 200.000 people are hungry and 300 of them fly to Vegas, it’s still worth feeding them all.

Second of all, people without food are hardly flying to bloody Vegas.

I knew you would bail, you are reaching.

Shav says, all other things aside, that we should feed people, and mentions no limitations.
Shav. Feed everyone? Even people with money (the vacation, flying, people)?
Or do you draw the line somewhere. My line is about 50M citizens who are down and out, give them whatever they need, I will, and do , write the checks.
So who do you think is entitled to taxpayer money to get free food?

I don't know how else to ask it.